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Call for NRL to trial players wearing gloves

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Berkeley_Eagle, Dec 15, 2012.

  1. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan

    +2,125 /14
    WHEN Ron Massey talks rugby league you listen and this week one of the game's great innovators had a thought: why don't we let NRL players wear gloves like they do in NFL?

    Massey was at home watching the football on ESPN when a sports science segment grabbed his attention.

    It showed how the new high-tech silicone-coated gloves had reduced the average number of dropped balls last season in NFL by 12 per cent.

    Massey explained: "It has certainly helped them and, I mean, they are not dumb over there. They wouldn't be using them if they didn't work."

    The study tested the force it takes to dislodge balls squeezed in consistent pressure, what host John Brenkus referred to as the coefficient of friction.

    It is essentially a material's resistance to sliding and, as Brenkus' experiment proved, these new gloves are 2 1/2 times stickier than car tyres.

    "And compared to an older pair of receiver gloves," he explained, "the latest gloves require nearly 25 per cent more force to dislodge a ball."

    Massey added: "They take some miraculous catches over there, which are thrown pretty fast and pretty long. And they all wear them.

    "I think anything that makes it easier for our wingers and fullbacks to handle the football has to be a plus for the game. I don't know whether they would consider it now or not but the one thing we want in our game is to improve and cut out the mistakes.

    "Well, this is one that would certainly reduce the handling mistakes by a good percentage. I believe it has a lot to offer."

    Gloves have been worn in the AFL since the mid-1990s but at the beginning of 2012 concerns were raised that the new "sticky" gloves were giving some players a significant - and unfair - advantage.

    "It feels like you can't drop a mark with it," one player said at the time. "They're so sticky that all you have to do is just put one hand out and it sticks."

    Which is also the immediate fear for rugby league, that it could change the fabric of the game. But what if it improves the quality of the spectacle - is that good or bad?

    Gloves were first trialled more than 20 years ago in rugby league when Tim Sheens was coaching Canberra but the game's administrators outlawed the idea before it really got going.

    Sheens recalled this week: "Gary Belcher wore them at training and in a trial - that would have been 1991 - and the league rang up and knocked it back. They reckoned it was dangerous with the way they were put together.

    "They said it was more likely to cause damage to a player from the point of view of cutting him. They were a little rough, I have to admit, but mind you they were a lot different in those days."

    Given the advances in the gloves and the fact we now play so much night football, Sheens has no doubt the idea is worth another look.

    "It could be something that could be revisited, there is no doubt, depending on the condition of the glove," he said.

    "The gloves could be something you could do in the All Stars game or in the 20s (Toyota Cup) to trial it. I'm not calling for it but it could be trialled, no doubt."

    Massey has long been an innovator. He was the brains behind Jack Gibson and is a man who still gives advice on league and life to today's coaches like Wayne Bennett and Ricky Stuart.

    "These blokes are defying the laws of gravity," Massey said about the modern player. "I never thought I'd see better wingers than Eric Grothe and Ken Irvine but these blokes today, what they do and the tries they have scored ... It is just unbelievable what they can do.

    "They are scoring tries that have never been scored before and if this could improve their handling, why not?"

  2. eagleE

    eagleE Active Member

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    I think that is a stupid idea. Some guys do need gloves like Choc. But I like the lottery of a potential dropped ball from a bomb. The NFL is all about percentages with no real chance of error in every single down or play. NRL is heading in the same path even though the players are more skill full than ever, there no room for mistakes. I don't think the NRL should allow it.
  3. Napper

    Napper Well-Known Member

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    Agree^ look at some of the miraculous one handed takes you see with the ball inches off the ground while at speed. The players have enough skill to catch a ball.
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    • Moondog

      Moondog What's up Darth? Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

      +5,287 /51
      Why not go all the way cover the gloves, playing strip and ball in velcro... at least when a player takes a difficult ball at the moment you know it is because of talent, not technology.....stupid, stupid idea.
    • MadMarcus

      MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      First they ban the shoulder charge... Now they want players wearing gloves... Skirts can't be far behind...
    • Wolfpack

      Wolfpack Well-Known Member

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      Ron Massey may be suprised to learn that they don't 'all wear them over there', especially quarterbacks - you know, the guys who pass the ball. Which is the main reason why it wouldn't work in rugby league, good luck trying to pass consistently wearing reciever gloves.

      Article seems like it was written to get the old tradionalists all scarlet faced & frothing at the mouth, no way it is actually seriously being considered.
    • master blaster

      master blaster Well-Known Member

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      you beat me to it MadMarcus,they might as take away the whole skill of the game,agree with you 100%
    • eagleE

      eagleE Active Member

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      It would also definitely increase the injury rate with the scratching from gloves. You get tackled 20 times around the legs a game and the friction of the rough gloves will wear the players skin down.
      Hey wolfpack. Do you play gridiron in NSW as that is the name of the state gridiron team. And seems you like and know abit about gridiron.
    • Wolfpack

      Wolfpack Well-Known Member

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      Nah don't play, would love to but just isn't possible thanks to my line of work.

      There's a league in NSW, quite a few teams in the comp from memory. State team is called the Wolfpack haha, but that isn't where I got my username from. Nice pickup though.
    • StuBoot

      StuBoot Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      Yeah, then we could wear helmets to limit head injuries and tights to make it harder to tackle and then when we drop the ball ( which we shouldn't because we wear gloves ) we can bring on a more defensive team.
    • manlyfan76

      manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      OR they could put coloured tags on their shorts and instead of tackling they have to grab the tags.
    • Ron E. Gibbs

      Ron E. Gibbs Well-Known Member

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      Funny that many players in the NFL (like Heinz Ward) want them to get rid of the helmets and go back to headgear as a way of decreasing the amount of head injuries in the sport. The idea being that if you're wearing a helmet you lead with your head and use it as a weapon - which is pretty much what NFL players do.
      But I digress. Ron Massey, you're an idiot.
    • Townsville Eagle

      Townsville Eagle Active Member

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      It would make it safer for John Hoppa type players when they are putting their fingers in bums...
    • DSM5

      DSM5 Well-Known Member

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      Ron Massey must be 110 years old. Wasn't he around with Jack Gibson? Anyway I digress as well. Stupid idea. The NFL is a game of throw and catch. Our game is just not that simple.
    • tookey

      tookey Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      No night games and just pay all games during the day and handling will improve
    • Chip and Chase

      Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      I think the idea has merit. I think it should be the personal choice of the player. I note that not everyone in the AFL wear them, some do, some don't.

      They already have tactile surfaces embedded into the players jerseys to improve the grip between the jersey and the ball and reduce the likelihood of it being dislodged in the tackle. What is the difference between that and a grip improving glove ??
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      • SeaEagleRock8

        SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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        What's wrong with a simple genetic modification to make the players' hands sticky? Maybe like Spiderman? At least that way you'd eliminate the risk that they'd forget to bring their gloves for some big game.
      • Peter C

        Peter C Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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        I think massey is in some nursing home at the moment and must have come up with this grand plan just after his mid morning nap.
        I don't know why the newspapers gave this idea the time of day, obviously there is very little other rugby league news at the moment.
        Let's kill this thread.
      • Mals

        Mals Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

        +1,652 /39
        Let wingers wear the gloves, they catch but don't pass ;)
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