Blake Ferguson indecent assault charges.
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RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
How is it different ?? Do you not recall Brett being charged ?? Do you not recall Brett having to plead his case in court ?? For all you know the CCTV footage may only confirm Ferguson's and his accusers presence at the venue.
The situation will be different the day Ferguson is found guilty of the charge, should that happen of course.
The Eagle Has Landed said:
How is it different ?? Do you not recall Brett being charged ?? Do you not recall Brett having to plead his case in court ?? For all you know the CCTV footage may only confirm Ferguson's and his accusers presence at the venue.
The situation will be different the day Ferguson is found guilty of the charge, should that happen of course.
silvertail
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RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
The Brett Stewart saga changed me forever. We stuck by him and presumed innocence until proven guilty.
Chip and Chase said:
The Brett Stewart saga changed me forever. We stuck by him and presumed innocence until proven guilty.
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
Well, one thing is for certain, I'm sure Ferguson is glad he went out to celebrate Dugan's selection with him just as much as he was with the roof top training antics with him and certainly, Laurie would be thrilled, as would the other members of the squad. That's not to say Dugan was at fault at all, it just seems that where Dugan goes, trouble follows.
I feel story for the lady who believes she was assaulted and if Ferguson is proved to be the guilty culprit, he should face the full consequences, just like Teo should if he is found guilty. Hopefully Qld may take a lesson from this and also stand Teo down until he's cleared of all charges as well. However, the two cases seem somewhat different, CCTV versus claim and counter claim.
Anyway, I just hope the young lady is not mentally scarred from the experience, as someone very close to me is still suffering five years later from an assault and now has a complete distrust of men and so struggles to have a relationship, but is improving slowly with lots of counselling.
Well, one thing is for certain, I'm sure Ferguson is glad he went out to celebrate Dugan's selection with him just as much as he was with the roof top training antics with him and certainly, Laurie would be thrilled, as would the other members of the squad. That's not to say Dugan was at fault at all, it just seems that where Dugan goes, trouble follows.
I feel story for the lady who believes she was assaulted and if Ferguson is proved to be the guilty culprit, he should face the full consequences, just like Teo should if he is found guilty. Hopefully Qld may take a lesson from this and also stand Teo down until he's cleared of all charges as well. However, the two cases seem somewhat different, CCTV versus claim and counter claim.
Anyway, I just hope the young lady is not mentally scarred from the experience, as someone very close to me is still suffering five years later from an assault and now has a complete distrust of men and so struggles to have a relationship, but is improving slowly with lots of counselling.
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
Me too. Snake's been through hell and back due to the media and Gallop. It's still going on today. At the Titan's game this year a lady behind me was insulting Brett. I wanted to exchange words but took deep breaths because ignorance cannot be cured in many cases.silvertail said:
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
will be interesting to see if he is stood down for itMitch said:
bones
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RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
Smith is just as bad as Gallop in this instance. He says Ferguson's suspension is nothing to do with the allegation but for repeated alcohol abuse. If that's the case then why wasn't Josh Dugan also suspended? His record with alcohol is worse than Fergusons and he was out drinking also. Lets say the allegations weren't made... What exactly did he do wrong the other night! Is he not allowed to go out and have a drink? The NRL must think we are stupid. We know he was suspended because of the allegations against him.
Smith is just as bad as Gallop in this instance. He says Ferguson's suspension is nothing to do with the allegation but for repeated alcohol abuse. If that's the case then why wasn't Josh Dugan also suspended? His record with alcohol is worse than Fergusons and he was out drinking also. Lets say the allegations weren't made... What exactly did he do wrong the other night! Is he not allowed to go out and have a drink? The NRL must think we are stupid. We know he was suspended because of the allegations against him.
The Who
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RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
True. He is being punished because he has been charged, yet nothing has been proven and it may never get to court.
You can't suspend him for drinking. It's every person's right to have a drink. He was not on official duties. The NSW training camp hadn't started.
This is another kneee jerk reaction, with the NRL pre-judging the court system. It's only an allegation. It could be a malicious one. We know about these, don;t we?
Certainly, come down hard on him if the court deems him guilt - but let due process happen.
Let's see if Smith is as tough on George Burgess.
bones said:
True. He is being punished because he has been charged, yet nothing has been proven and it may never get to court.
You can't suspend him for drinking. It's every person's right to have a drink. He was not on official duties. The NSW training camp hadn't started.
This is another kneee jerk reaction, with the NRL pre-judging the court system. It's only an allegation. It could be a malicious one. We know about these, don;t we?
Certainly, come down hard on him if the court deems him guilt - but let due process happen.
Let's see if Smith is as tough on George Burgess.
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
Wouldn't the cops view CC footage from the venue before arresting him , instead of relying on a " he said - she said " scenario ?? ? I'd say the footage, and statements from staff at the venue regarding him being asked to leave a licensed premises, and then re-entering afterwards, would have sealed the deal.
Wouldn't the cops view CC footage from the venue before arresting him , instead of relying on a " he said - she said " scenario ?? ? I'd say the footage, and statements from staff at the venue regarding him being asked to leave a licensed premises, and then re-entering afterwards, would have sealed the deal.
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
In red above, so what you're saying is that you are assuming and then extending that to assuming his guilt.
This whole affair is a repeat of the Brett Stewart debacle.
If he is ultimately found guilty by the courts then throw the book at him. Until then he is innocent until proven guilty.
Why is this concept so difficult for people to understand. What if this was a Manly player who was subsequently exonerated. Be careful how you judge, next time it may well be a Manly player. This stuff is for the courts to deal with, not the David Smith Kangaroo Court.
WESTIE said:
In red above, so what you're saying is that you are assuming and then extending that to assuming his guilt.
This whole affair is a repeat of the Brett Stewart debacle.
If he is ultimately found guilty by the courts then throw the book at him. Until then he is innocent until proven guilty.
Why is this concept so difficult for people to understand. What if this was a Manly player who was subsequently exonerated. Be careful how you judge, next time it may well be a Manly player. This stuff is for the courts to deal with, not the David Smith Kangaroo Court.
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
Ralphie..what part of CC footage and witnesses dont you understand ?? If the CC footage shows exactly what is suggested , that is, a sexual assualt , then yes , i am extenduing that to assume he is guilty.
From memory there were no witnesses to the B Sewart debacle.
As mentioned above in my post - " Wouldn't the cops view CC footage from the venue before arresting him , instead of relying on a " he said - she said " scenario ?? Am i to take it you are suggesting the cops arrested him without viewing the footage available to them ??
Ralphie..what part of CC footage and witnesses dont you understand ?? If the CC footage shows exactly what is suggested , that is, a sexual assualt , then yes , i am extenduing that to assume he is guilty.
From memory there were no witnesses to the B Sewart debacle.
As mentioned above in my post - " Wouldn't the cops view CC footage from the venue before arresting him , instead of relying on a " he said - she said " scenario ?? Am i to take it you are suggesting the cops arrested him without viewing the footage available to them ??
RE: Blake Ferguson indecent assault charge?
I just can't believe the NRL are going through this again. Whether there is CCTV footage or not, whether there are witnesses or not should not matter until he goes to court.
If he pleads guilty or is found to be guilty then punish him, suspend him, fine him or whatever is in the player code of conduct agreements.
However until that point he has every right to continue playing and the right for everyone to believe he is innocent.
It's frustrating, and just shows how much pressure these young guys are under, they get accused of anything and their name is dragged through the mud, before the allegations are even proven in anyway.
It certainly opens the door to malicious fans making allegations against players of opposing teams.
I just can't believe the NRL are going through this again. Whether there is CCTV footage or not, whether there are witnesses or not should not matter until he goes to court.
If he pleads guilty or is found to be guilty then punish him, suspend him, fine him or whatever is in the player code of conduct agreements.
However until that point he has every right to continue playing and the right for everyone to believe he is innocent.
It's frustrating, and just shows how much pressure these young guys are under, they get accused of anything and their name is dragged through the mud, before the allegations are even proven in anyway.
It certainly opens the door to malicious fans making allegations against players of opposing teams.
WESTIE said:
Oh right, and the "witnesses" from the Brett Stewart case were oh so reliable, if we believed the media spin they had him with his pants down and more. The CCTV footage of him being "drunk" and asked to leave showed a different story when shown in court, they showed a rather sober Brett Stewart assisting a female colleague and hailing a taxi with his brother.
Before that got to court it apparently showed all sorts of evil doing and extreme drunkeness.
I can't believe anyone who followed the Brett Stewart case would be so hypocritical in this instance.
Your memory is incorrect. There were many witnesses, and many called in court. DSM5 can give you the full details and a run down of those are available thanks to him attending court everyday of the hearing to gather the details for us.
witnesses included
- Neighbours who were in the backyard next door and heard the commotion (in press these were reported to have seen him assaulting the girl which were false)
- Police officers who were reported to have seen brett barely in control of his functions, in court their testimony was that he was very polite and seemed sober and very coherent
No one "saw" what was alleged to have happened between Brett and the accuser .... like ppl say they only claim to have heared , not seen anything....are people sure they arent confusing reporting by the telecrap with their usual unnamed sources when comparing these two incidents ??
Ralphie and Dan are 100% correct in what they are posting on this
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