One thing lost in this debate and something that I have thought would effect us anyway,regardless of this mess, is the fact that a lot of these players we are questioning have already won one or two GFs.I am no psychologist but the desire factor,combined with frequent injury etc,must effect the team as a whole. Is a 3rd title a must have for these blokes. My answer is no.That is not bagging them, it is just a fact.The desire factor has to decrease. The introduction of young new blood craving for a title combined with hopefully a rejuvenated DCE and Foran holds more promise than old warriors trying to hang on with no real urge to win the grand prize. The club has a chance to show some authority right now while still respecting the achievements of these guys.If they want to go let them go.