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2020 hooker (and Fainu disc.)

Cust or Croker for hooker 2020 if Nas is out

  • Cust

    Votes: 50 39.4%
  • Crocker

    Votes: 19 15.0%
  • Zach Dockar-Clay

    Votes: 21 16.5%
  • Fainu

    Votes: 17 13.4%
  • Levi

    Votes: 20 15.7%

  • Total voters
    127

Technical Coach

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I do not understand the work rate concern you have. There were games where he was an absolute machine. I can remember some amazing 20-30m runs from dummy half late in games where he was carrying prop forwards on his back. The golden point game in Melbourne rings a bell; he was huge when everyone else was stuffed. It was like having another front rower at times, such was the power he generated from his legs. I think he has a huge engine.
Yes the golden point game Fainu had a nice dart out of dummy half late in the game i recall and in extra time ran back in cover well.

In saying that i think that performance was over exaggerated, it was a steady performance lacking as usual passing variety out of dummy half.(buy yeah for a young kid he racked up some Km's in that match which is good to see)

He switches off in defence way too often, always looking for recovery moments, he doesn't inspire or take the load off defensively for the forwards either.

Other than his fine darts out of dummy half and attracting markers in his unique way with offloads(which is a great skill to have mind you) i don't see anything else in his game that is a stand out, warranting such huge praises.

To me the three most important elements a hooker should have is crisp passing variety out of dummy half, great defensive qualities/workload and engaging the markers. Fainu only exhibits one of the three.

Running big km's doesn't mean you have a big work rate, you might have a steady motor though.

Jake and AFB work rate in that game was amazing to watch.

I do admire Fainu for playing most of the year with a busted shoulder at such a young age, but in saying that his defence has never been great(adequate at best) and already suffering shoulder injuries just means he will shy away defensively even more.
 

Technical Coach

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Like everyone else, I don't have any idea how this is going to pan out, but I like the way Manase plays and I like what he brings to the team. And that's the point: if it works for the team as a whole, it doesn't matter whether he's "the complete NRL hooker" or not. All we "average" fans see is that our team looked better and got better results when he was on the field.
Looked better in certain attacking elements of the game that is all.

Better results not sure what you mean by that, it is a team game with both hookers playing a role.

Api retuned late from injury at the start of the year and i don't think Des showed much confidence in Api all year, on top of that Api was usually playing the first 20-25mins and probably the last 10mins or something like that.

Api went backwards under Des and looked like he was suffering confidence wise and belief wise.

In saying that Api never had a strong passing game out of dummy half which he should of been working on more (there were improvements though along with Fainu), also Api's usual sharp direct running out of dummy half was very much lacking last year, seemed to be playing with no confidence and trying to make up for it with just defensive workload and intensity.

If the Panthers go well next year we should see the old Api again, especially on a fast home track like the Panthers ground and not the slippery, thick cow paddock of Brookie.
 

tookey

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Tigers are also chasing Levi as Reynolds looks like being suspended until his court case is heard
 

wombatgc

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Looked better in certain attacking elements of the game that is all.

Better results not sure what you mean by that, it is a team game with both hookers playing a role.

Api retuned late from injury at the start of the year and i don't think Des showed much confidence in Api all year, on top of that Api was usually playing the first 20-25mins and probably the last 10mins or something like that.

Api went backwards under Des and looked like he was suffering confidence wise and belief wise.

In saying that Api never had a strong passing game out of dummy half which he should of been working on more (there were improvements though along with Fainu), also Api's usual sharp direct running out of dummy half was very much lacking last year, seemed to be playing with no confidence and trying to make up for it with just defensive workload and intensity.

If the Panthers go well next year we should see the old Api again, especially on a fast home track like the Panthers ground and not the slippery, thick cow paddock of Brookie.
I think that calf injury he picked up played a big part in his form obviously.He knew he had the young gun Nase breathing down his neck. I remember his first game back from the injury, and he looked underdone (like he needed another fortnight off). Then he buggered it again and it became a chronic injury for him.
Hopefully he does get back to his best. Api is in the same class as Brent Kite for me. As in an ex-Manly player that I would never boo, no matter who they played for.
 

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Yes the golden point game Fainu had a nice dart out of dummy half late in the game i recall and in extra time ran back in cover well.

In saying that i think that performance was over exaggerated, it was a steady performance lacking as usual passing variety out of dummy half.(buy yeah for a young kid he racked up some Km's in that match which is good to see)

He switches off in defence way too often, always looking for recovery moments, he doesn't inspire or take the load off defensively for the forwards either.

Other than his fine darts out of dummy half and attracting markers in his unique way with offloads(which is a great skill to have mind you) i don't see anything else in his game that is a stand out, warranting such huge praises.

To me the three most important elements a hooker should have is crisp passing variety out of dummy half, great defensive qualities/workload and engaging the markers. Fainu only exhibits one of the three.

Running big km's doesn't mean you have a big work rate, you might have a steady motor though.

Jake and AFB work rate in that game was amazing to watch.

I do admire Fainu for playing most of the year with a busted shoulder at such a young age, but in saying that his defence has never been great(adequate at best) and already suffering shoulder injuries just means he will shy away defensively even more.
I agree that defence is the aspect he needs to work on most. Api is a much better defender at this stage. Neither have amazing service from the ruck. The one thing about Fainu that gets fans excited is his ability to generate points. Things seem to happen around him. We need a player that can create because our points scoring potential is a concern at times. If teams get a handle on Tom T, we do not have a lot else to work with. We lack a genuine 6 and DCE is rocks and diamonds.

We are gritty and we defend stoutly but points against quality opposition will be our achilles heel.
 

Bearfax

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I agree that defence is the aspect he needs to work on most. Api is a much better defender at this stage. Neither have amazing service from the ruck. The one thing about Fainu that gets fans excited is his ability to generate points. Things seem to happen around him. We need a player that can create because our points scoring potential is a concern at times. If teams get a handle on Tom T, we do not have a lot else to work with. We lack a genuine 6 and DCE is rocks and diamonds.

We are gritty and we defend stoutly but points against quality opposition will be our achilles heel.
We have a genuine 6 If Schuster manages the move up to the big boys. Potentially he could be up there with Cliffy in a few years if his potential is realised
 

winnyason

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I take note cust has trained at 9 all off season and photo on Insta has him with forward unit but no croker.
Unless knights pay freight levi I say he starts. Ipape a 2021 nrl prospect imo.
 

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