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We stuffed up on letting Burns go

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by silver, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. silver

    silver Active Member

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    We let Burns go because they said Jamie Lyon was going to be 5/8 for the next season and beyond so no space for Burns.  Now we are chasing Carney for $400k+ a season to play 5/8.

    We all knew Lyon was not a 5/8.  Can someone explain the logic of this club to me??? We could have had Burns for $250k max and then some spare coin, but no! lets pay $400k for someone else a known loose cannon!!!!  Another Orford saga could be in the wind, let them go and then re-sign then for overs in a few years time.....
     
  2. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Carney is about 3 times the playmaker Burns is, has a better kicking game, better passing game and is probably quicker as well. I also don't think Burns was exactly a Saint off the field either, not if his attitude on the field is any indication of his off field demeanour.

    Whilst Travis is only young and may improve, all he basically offered us was solid defence and a bit of mongrel on the field. I'd have Carney in a flash over what I saw from Burns last season.
     
  3. SilentBob

    SilentBob Well-Known Member

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    One is a solid first grader with not much potential for more, the other is a top playmaker with potential to be the best half in the NRL within the next 3-4 years.
     
  4. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Burn's Pros in my opinion:-

    + Aggression
    + Attitude to win
    + Defense
    + Talk
    + Energy
    + Side Step

    Burns Cons in my opinion:-

    + Gave away too many penalties
    + Couldn't pass the ball wide, or didn't enough
    + Defense (I know I also put it in Pro's)
    + Attitude off the park


    Also guys, the club offered somewhere around $180k to retain the guy. It was BURNS who decided to leave. Not Manly's.
     
  5. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Manly could not guarantee Burns first grade. That is the main reason. Burns was tough and gutsy but was not the sort of player who is going to be a top line first grader who you build a side around.

    We are not guaranteed to get Carney.
     
  6. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    I woudl be supirsed if we get Carney - Penriff are offering more money while Raiders have helped him through his issues and therefore have a loyality factor.

    Our only hope is that he wants to play in a successful team and likes the beach.  Not many waves at Lake Burley Griffen or on the Neapean
     
  7. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    It was suggested in one of the newspapers that we were holding out the captains role for Carney as a carrot.

    Seems a rather dubious propostion i thought.
     
  8. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    Brett Stewart might like a captaincy role down the track as well
     
  9. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Burns is average, can;t set up an outside man and has no kicking game. Very over rated player.

    Carney would be signed for 2009, which may open up many more possibilities than 08

    If he signed, and Bell is let go, then Lyon to centre with Carney and Orford

    Or Orford is let go and Bell extended, leaving Lyon and Carney in the 6 and 7

    While we are on the subject of the halves, was interesting to see in Big League that Jason Wells could be considered as a 5/8, they talked up his ball and kicking skills
     
  10. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    Wells was a 5/8 at the dogs but played backrow with us - if we get an injury in the halves we needs to find someone & guess either him or Halden are our only options at this stage
     
  11. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    We have Wells, Stewy, Ballin etc etc who can cover 5/8. All have great kicking, passing & positional games. Halden can cover either halves position. I'm sure there's some kid in the lower grades as well, there has to be someone to replace Groome.
    Stop worrying about that crap.
    All we have to worry about is form & combos, not troops.
     
  12. Seeker783

    Seeker783 New Member

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    Agree 100%, Lyon aint a 5/8 hes a centre, watch Burnsy now hes runnin off thurston. Hell be the queensland 5/8 in no time. Because they paid the cash they gotta try and justify it, not the best way to run a footy team.
     
  13. Bradza

    Bradza Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Whatever emotion is out there due to our **** play, you are kidding if you think Burns is the answer. I'm watching Burns now and Nth Qld are not going real hot themselves.He chose to leave and we wanted him to stay for depth in the halves mainly. He had ticker but not a lot else. if Burns plays 5/8 for Qld they are struggling.
     
  14. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Burns is better than Lyon in 5/8 though, he had a good long kicking game too, and goal kicking game and had more creativity than Orford and Lyon together so far this season
     
  15. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Burns kicking game was ordinary for Manly, never rated it at all
     
  16. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Better than Lyon's though Kiwi. Jamie Lyon has been a joke for 1.1 season now.
     
  17. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Don't agree mate, both kicking games are rubbish. Personally, i think Burns is the most over rated player we have had the past couple of years
     
  18. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    Burns was crap last night.
     
  19. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I would prefer Witt over both
     
  20. ads

    ads Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I saw Witt the other week and he didn't look too bad. Plus he seems to have the spark we are desperately missing. If only he could tackle.
     

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