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The no past favourites best team selection

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by cf2 is back, Apr 2, 2011.

  1. cf2 is back

    cf2 is back Active Member

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    Picking guys on past reputation is a massive danger.

    I believe our best 17 is this:

    1. Brett (NER = no explanation required)
    2. Oldfield (2nd best winger in club his attack is badly needed)
    3. Lyon (NER)
    4. Hoppa (can't be left out - note the massive wraps by people like Gus)
    5. Wolf (best winger in club)
    6. Foran (NER)
    7. DCE (NER)
    8. King (NER)
    9. Ballin (NER)
    10. Robinson (2nd best prop in the squad simple as that)
    11. Choc (NER)
    12. Glenn Stewart (NER - Jersey 12 or 13 makes no diff)
    13. Matai (what a great lock he'd make and gives Hoppa centre spot)

    14. Rose (need him for 30-40 min a match charges but he MUST get fitter)
    15. Buhrer (NER and unlucky not to be starting but still plenty of game time)
    16. Kite (and only just - he MUST stop those soft crabby hit ups or be dropped)
    17. Harrison (star of future can't be ignored)

    (seriously that's one of the best benches in the NRL)

    18. Robbo (he's a wonderful player but is now our 3rd best winger IMO)
    19. Seu Seu (40 mins of Harrison WAY more valuable than 15 mins Seu Seu esp when Ballin more than capable of playing 80)
    20. Guluvao (not in top 17 but with injuries will be used in many games)
    21. Rodney (ditto Guluvao - yes he's a tackling machine but so are the young guys like Harrison and Buhrer and their attack is way stronger)
    22. Mauro (ditto Guluvao, Rodney - and in fair dinkum dept he's just ok but not amazing)
    23. T Rex - not a first grade back and too slow and lazy as a forward = NSW Cup. Yes yes yes the Slater fend and all the tries last year - but he concedes just as many and opposition teams know he's a turnstile. Plus he's triply lazy - 6 hit ups a game (his rd 1 stat v Melb) is unacceptable for a guy his size.

    Before anyone slams me for Robbo dropping it's no criticism - he's been incredible in past and always finds the corner with those great dives - but IMO Oldfield is more of an attacking weapon in open play - and it's those kinds of dangerous wingers that change games - look at guys like Blake Ferguson, Talanoa, Tuquiri, etc etc  - they scare opposition defences - but does Robbo seriously scare anyone?  2008 was 3 years ago we've gotta move forward.
     
  2. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Wolf best winger in the club when he's on the field and that hasn't been too often since 2008.
     
  3. cf2 is back

    cf2 is back Active Member

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    Brett's played 7 games in 2 years. Does that mean we question his spot too on account of being apparently brittle? You can't stop injuries and they have nothing to do with the ranking of best players.

    From all the other posts I'm obv not alone in ranking our wingers:
    1. Wolf
    2. Oldfield
    3. Robbo
    4. T Rex

    (counting Hoppa as a centre/fullback)
     
  4. Copa Eagle

    Copa Eagle Member

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    Wingers in order of form this year:
    Robertson - although slow has not made an error, has scored a try and will always come infield to take pressure off the forwards.
    Oldfield - Has speed, busts the line reguraly, can score a try for anywhere on the field.
    Wolfman - Great (When on the field) qoute ''when on the field''.

    I rate hoppa as a centre/fullback, and trex is anything but a back.
     
  5. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Quality fullbacks are alot harder to find, the fact that Brett has scored nearly a 100 tries in about 120 games tells you he's special. Wingers are easier to replace.
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    Quality fullbacks are alot harder to find, the fact that Brett has scored nearly a 100 tries in about 120 games tells you he's special. Wingers are easier to replace.
     
  6. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    Quality fullbacks are alot harder to find, the fact that Brett has scored nearly a 100 tries in about 120 games tells you he's special. Wingers are easier to replace.
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    Quality fullbacks are alot harder to find, the fact that Brett has scored nearly a 100 tries in about 120 games tells you he's special. Wingers are easier to replace.
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    There are three wingers that break that rule -
    Ken Irvine
    Brian Bevan
    Martin Offiah
     
  7. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You lost me at

    The bloke has been very ordinary at times and s**t most of the time since the 2008 GF. Has been ok this year, 2 games.
     
  8. codewana

    codewana Active Member

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    Mybludog Active Member

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    1. Brett (NER = no explanation required)
    2. Oldfield (2nd best winger in club his attack is badly needed)
    3. Lyon (NER)
    4. Hoppa (can't be left out - note the massive wraps by people like Gus)
    5. Wolf (best winger in club)
    6. Foran (NER)
    7. DCE (NER)
    8. King (NER)
    9. Ballin (NER)
    10. Robinson (2nd best prop in the squad simple as that)
    11. Choc (NER)
    12. Glenn Stewart (NER - Jersey 12 or 13 makes no diff)
    13. Matai (what a great lock he'd make and gives Hoppa centre spot)

    14. Rose (need him for 30-40 min a match charges but he MUST get fitter)
    15. Buhrer (NER and unlucky not to be starting but still plenty of game time)
    16. Kite (and only just - he MUST stop those soft crabby hit ups or be dropped)
    17. Harrison (star of future can't be ignored

    Swap Joe for Rose and JB for Matai and Kite for anyone
     
  10. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Matai is in our best 2 centres
     
  11. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    B Stewart
    Hopoate
    Lyon
    Matai
    D Williams
    Foran
    DCE
    King
    Ballin
    Kite
    Watmough
    Rodney
    G Stewart

    Seu Seu
    Cunningham
    Rose
    Bhurer
     
  12. pjayz

    pjayz Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    1. B Stewart
    2. Oldfield
    3. Lyon
    4. Hoppa
    5. D Williams
    6. Foran
    7. DCE
    8. King
    9. Ballin
    10. Galuvao
    11. Watmough
    12. Rodney
    13. G Stewart

    14. Matai
    15. Buhrer
    16. Kite
    17. T Robinson  (after a while, provided form continues - shift to starting side and Galuvao to bench as he is more a backrower than prop)

    Not the team that I think will be picked when all are available, but the team I'd go with; the only thing is Matai - hard to keep him out of the starting line-up. If he starts, then Hoppa to a wing spot and either Wolfman or Oldfield drops off and Harrison or Liam Foran (on the bench), as I'm not a fan of Seu Seu.
     
  13. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    No past favourites except Wolfman obviously. Didn't play a game all last season, has played 2 games this year and they were both ordinary efforts. But somehow he is now the best winger in our club on current form. Please. If he regains 2008 form then yes he may be the best winger in the club, at the moment he has a fair bit of ground to make up on those who have actually made the park.
     
  14. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    C&C he has pace,his form picks up from dropping ball then its all good

    I remember he ran down Coote(?) who was an absolute speedster

    Last year we had the need for speed
     
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    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    He ran down Coote in 2009. 
     
  16. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'm not denying that the guy can play , I'm just pointing out that this thread is about picking a side based on current form and not playing favourites on past reputation. Wolfman has played 2 games in 12 months and they were both poor efforts. How can he then be the best winger in the club based on the above criteria ? Ridiculous.
     
  17. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    He isnt rated as the best i think you will find

    Id rate Hopoate better
     
  18. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I am with C&C on this one.

    I am truly scarred from being there live the night Wolfman played Origin in 2009, in what must be the lowest performance of all time.

    He went downhill from there except few a few flashes of 2008 form.

    He would be getting paid as an international and is at best an average first grader these days.
     
  19. codewana

    codewana Active Member

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    I agree with your point, but I don't think Wolfman played poorly in either game... what was so terrible?
     
  20. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Well, before the Easts game he was having back spasms in the warm up and barely made the run on side. Consequently did very little all game because of the "injury". His effort against Newcastle was better, so I was probably a bit harsh there.

    By who ? you ? Read some of the posts above and then tell me how many of them have rated Wolfman as the best winger in the club.
     

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