No not Jarryd I mean Kevin Shayne. If his influence in favour of the rorters hadn't happened and we won the 2013 GF what do you think would be different today? The owners? Players? Coaches? Board and CEO? Or would it largely be similar to what it was? It was only 3 years ago and Tooves would've been a second year champ plus the status quo of the running of the club may have lasted. As a supporter I may've been more confident about the future. Maybe not.