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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by cherry_poppins, Oct 3, 2015.

  1. cherry_poppins

    cherry_poppins Well-Known Member

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    Anyone think these clowns will gain any traction here or is it just another One Nation? I think they'll do well in the poorer places, they will get some votes in Tassie I'd guess, a lot of the people here are very simple

    So One Nation MK2 or National Socialist German Workers' Party MK2?

    They aren't the only example of this, these far rights are popping up in Europe too

    The most recent US school shooting seems to have been anti islam,the cop shooter last night was Islamic

    Are we heading for another holocaust?

    Didn't start this to start a war,just checking who else thinks the world is headed for insanity and the killing of innocents spanning all races

    I can see this gaining traction
  2. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What are you talking about? Do you have a link to something about 'ALA'?
  3. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Google's assistance stopped at Australian Labradoodle Association
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  4. cherry_poppins

    cherry_poppins Well-Known Member

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    Australia officially now has a political party modelled on the far-right wing movements in Europe and dedicated to the idea that Islam is a "totalitarian ideology with global aspirations".

    The Australian Liberty Alliance gained approval from the Australian Electoral Commission on Wednesday for registration as a party, having signed up well over the required 500 members and attracted no objections.

    Its national secretary, Ralf Schumann, confirmed that controversial anti-Muslim Dutch politician Geert Wilders planned to launch the party on October 20.

    Mr Schumann told sympathisers this week that the party faced "a strong headwind and ... some nasty windshears", but reminded supporters that "so did like-minded parties with similar policies in Europe".

    "And see where they are a few years later: In the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Austria, France and Italy – they are supported by millions, already poll in the 20 per cent bracket, win seats and slowly return common sense and Western principles to their parliaments."

    Mr Schumann refused an interview about the party, which is the political offshoot of the "Islam-critical" Q Society. But Q Society national president Debbie Robinson, who is also a director of the ALA, told Fairfax Media that Islam was "a dangerous ideology that's definitely not compatible with Western culture and society".

    "There is no moderate version of Islam ... there may be people who don't follow it to the letter, but there is no moderate version, so it's dangerous. It's dangerous for our society."

    In Q Society emails, Ms Robinson has said the Australian Liberty Alliance intends to "rebuild the lucky country".

    The party's manifesto says "Our Australia stands for individual liberty, small government, Western values built on Judaeo-Christian and Humanistic foundations, social fairness and an integrated multi-ethnic society".

    It outlines a number of policy positions including "smarter, smaller government", and "integration over separation" when it comes to multiculturalism.

    Islam, the manifesto says, "uses the religious element as a means to project itself onto non-Islamic societies ... No other religious ideology in our time has both the doctrinal aspiration as well as the economic and demographic muscle to impose itself globally".

    "Core policy" was that "all attempts to impose Islam's theocracy and sharia law on our liberal society must be stopped by democratic means, before the demographic, economic and socio-political realities make a peaceful solution impossible".

    The party would ban full-face coverings in public spaces, and calls for a 10-year moratorium on resident visa applications by people from member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation. These countries include Indonesia, Turkey, Afghanistan, Malaysia and Egypt, as well as many African and Middle Eastern countries.

    People from "persecuted non-Islamic minorities" within those countries may be exempted from the visa moratorium.

    Other ALA policies include a "back to basics" Australian Broadcasting Corporation with the "non-core" parts privatised; the teaching of "respect for others" from an early age; and removing Australia from the UN Charter of Refugees because "resettling people from Africa, the Middle East and Asia is counter-productive, and drains these nations of their most valuable assets".

    The policies driven by the ALA spring from an increasingly assertive anti-Islam push in Australia, which has been encouraged by some prominent federal Coalition MPs including Cory Bernardi and George Christensen. It's expressed most vocally by the Reclaim Australia street protest movement, and anti-Halal food and anti-mosque organisations.

    Ms Robinson, who lives in Perth, said the party was not against individual Muslims, but against their "ideology". She said she supported the ideas of Reclaim, but that ALA and the Q Society "try to do it from a more intellectual side of things".

    Company documents show the ALA's directors are Ms Robinson, her husband Tony, a prominent Perth orthopaedic surgeon, Andrew and Susan Horwood, who run Adelaide wholesale bakery Emmaline's Country Kitchen, and Mr Schumann, who is based in Melbourne.

    Ms Robinson is also the director of fund-raising company Skipngirl Productions, which has registered "72 Virgins" and "Hal and Al's" as business names. Skipngirl sells "Hal & Al's 72 Virgins", which is described as "a very drinkable Australian sparkling wine" from the Barossa Valley.

    A note to consumers on the label says: "Consumption of this fine Australian wine may prevent you from entering the Islamic Paradise. However, both the Jewish and Christian paradises remain open as alternative (sic)."

    The anti-Islam movement has sparked a response from a new group called Voices Against Bigotry, whose co-founder, Susie Latham, said, "It's time for all Australians to unite (against) this hate-mongering".

    "Groups such as the Q Society and ALA are mainstreaming bigotry. This emboldens people to launch verbal and physical attacks on Muslims, and Australians of all backgrounds should stand against this."

    Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Kuranda Seyit said it was quite ludicrous for the ALA to worry about the Islamisation of Australia "considering that about 2 per cent of Australians are Muslim, and about half of them are just nominal Muslims".

    "The majority of Australians will be able to differentiate between a genuine political party and what is bigotry and a conservative and narrow version of Christian dogma embedded into a quasi-political agenda," he said.

    "On the lighter side, this party will be known as ALA, sounds close to Allah, don't you think? We can call them Hezb-bollah, 'The party of ALA', perfect nickname for the group."

    Author and consultant Tasneem Chopra said Muslims in Australia had been successfully integrating for centuries, but that, "the way that this party is talking you'd think they were an anomaly who has no place, who have no fit".

    "There are an enormous number of obstacles, from racism and discrimination, that people are experiencing, but they're still forging ahead to do it. The presence of a party like this and ... what they are trying to suggest, doesn't help anybody," she said.
  5. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Anywhere but Parramatta
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    Picture every dead body from every war and conflict and jihad all in one pile. Then ( as John Lennon said) no religon.
  6. cherry_poppins

    cherry_poppins Well-Known Member

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    As an agnostic i am coming to a belief where i think every type of Bible is filled with nice stories to live your life by

    But people pervert them
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  7. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    They'll be quietly promoted by the mainstream conservatives, same as Hanson was. The publicising of her inane racist prattling gave the conservatives the perfect cover for their own 'mild by comparison' versions. See children overboard.

    That insanity has been part of human political life since the advent of recorded history. It certainly isn't the invention or the preserve of IS or modern Islamic radical groups. See 6 August 1945.

    Our Western leaders appear powerless to stop the radicalisation of youth, probably because they don't hold any of the high ground when it comes to principled politics.
  8. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    AFAIK the netherlands is one of the most multicultural countries in the world, I have read Amsterdam is the most multicultural in the world. On a daily basis I bump into people from all over the world, there are large portions of the city that have muslim communities, there are strong suriname links, I bump into Australians, English, Irish and Americans. In my own office we have Americans, Canadians, Australians, South Africans, English, Scottish, Germans, Jamaicans and of course Dutch. I think a number of other people too. It just seems to work here, there never really seems to be that much clash or hatred between the races.
    Sure there is Wilders in Rotterdam who is dead against immigration and multiculturalism, but he represents a minority. There are clashes around December related to Zwarte Piet but generally you never here of religious based hatred it is one of the most tolerant places I have ever experienced and everyone just lives together happily.

    There was a law around banning the burqa or full head dress, however I have seen them a few times. I think the rest of the world could learn a lot from Amsterdam and the Netherlands, there is a reason they have the happiest children in the world and chilled out adults and it isnt weed
  9. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

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  10. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Well…why not tell us what you make of it? (whatever it be)

    No doubt all the respected citizens of ST world including HH & I will comment if it strikes our fancy…it i the off-season after all.
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  11. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough...I think that they (CEC) give quite a lot of food for thought compared to the ramblings of political opponents like the ALA and one Nation. I do not agree with their entire view of things, but then again, I don't agree with the entire views of any one political party. They take a much deeper look into the woes of the world and a certainly not afraid to try to expose their findings to the masses.

    Lets take a look at the terrorist threat that is current news. In the western world it is not really investigated by the average Joe. The bloke on the street will tell you Muslim's are evil and there belief systems are anti women and vile in nature. Is that because the average Joe has completely immersed himself in Muslim culture and witnessed this "wicked" religion first hand? Is he just comparing his own belief/religion with a strange one and assuming it's wrong, because it is different? Or, is it because that's what we are being fed by the media? We all know it is the radicals that are the threat, but I found this investigation and publication by the CEC interesting.

    I'm sorry for the way this cut and paste turned out. I got it from a PDF. It's a little hard to read but please bear with it, or go to the link. Other interesting articles include why we should join BRICS. Give it a look if you have time...


    Terrorism: Asymmetric Warfare

    Another form of warfare
    developed under the British
    Monarchy, Steinberg
    (EIR Counterintelligence Editor
    Jeffrey Steinberg) said, is

    asymmetric warfare, such as
    terrorism, fomented as an assault
    on nation-states. He highlighted
    the British-Saudi alliance, with
    its long history since the days of
    the British East India Company in
    the 18th century, and continuing
    still today. “Right now”, he said,
    “we’re dealing with a British
    strategy for the entire greater
    Middle East, Southwest Asia,
    Persian Gulf, and North Africa
    region, to create a new Hundred
    Years’ War, a population war
    within the Islamic world, pitting
    Sunnis against Shiites, Arabs
    against Persians”.

    Steinberg reported on the
    fight against these policies
    within the United States, such
    as the drive to declassify the
    suppressed 28 pages of the
    Joint Congressional Inquiry into
    9/11, exposing the Saudi role—
    particularly that of former Saudi
    Ambassador to the USA and
    long-time intelligence figure
    Prince Bandar bin Sultan—in
    preparing and supporting the
    hijackers who carried out the 11
    September 2001 attacks. “The
    issue is not just the role of the
    Saudi Monarchy in sponsoring
    global Sunni jihadist terrorism”,
    said Steinberg. “Those 28
    pages open up the aperture
    for not just the Saudi role, but
    the British role”, because of
    Bandar’s role as architect, along
    with Margaret Thatcher, of the
    British/Saudi weapons deal
    called Al-Yamamah.” Under this
    barter arrangement, the British
    company BAE Systems provided
    upwards of $40 billion in military
    equipment to the Saudi armed
    forces and an additional $20
    billion in bribes to Saudi princes,
    with huge cash profi t from the
    deals going into an offshore slush
    fund to “fi ght communism”—
    including through the 1980s
    Afghanistan mujahedin project,
    which gave rise to much of the
    modern jihadist movement.

    CEC researcher Glen
    Isherwood concluded the panel
    with an explosive report on “Who
    is Sponsoring International
    terrorism?”, focussed on the
    role of Britain’s Prince Charles as
    an intimate of Bandar and other
    Saudi fi gures linked to 9/11 and
    the terrorism wave spread by the
    Islamic State. He began by citing
    a 23 September 2014 CEC
    press release, which warned that
    “a near-term terrorist attack upon
    Australian soil is almost guaranteed”.
    On 15 December 2014 the
    “Sydney Siege” erupted on cue,
    in which three people were killed
    and four wounded. We knew that
    such an event would happen, he
    explained, because the certainty
    of a new Global Financial Crisis
    called into question the very
    existence of the British Empire,
    and the Crown would deploy
    its intelligence agencies to create
    mayhem in order to preserve
    its power.

    Addressing the widespread
    belief that the Empire no longer
    exists, Isherwood explained
    that it is now self-described as
    an “informal fi nancial empire”,
    which, through “fi nancial conditionality”,
    radical “green” policies,
    and provoked wars and terrorism,
    is committing genocide
    on the scale of the mass famines
    it created in India and Ireland in
    the 19th century, or worse. The
    documented personal role of
    the Queen in sacking Australian
    Prime Minister Gough Whitlam
    in 1975, because he was committed
    to national sovereignty
    and economic development, is
    another example of the Crown’s
    continuing power.

    Perhaps the most shocking of
    all is the deep involvement of
    Prince Charles in sponsoring and
    protecting international terrorism,
    which Isherwood explained
    in detail, zeroing in on the board
    of Charles’s Oxford Centre for
    Islamic Studies, which is packed
    with such leading fi nanciers and
    sponsors of terrorism as Princes
    Bandar bin Sultan and Turki
    bin Faisal, both of them named
    in lawsuits by 9/11 families as
    orchestrators of those atrocities.
    Isherwood concluded with the
    case of the infamous Abu Hamza
    Al Masri, who as preacher at
    the Finsbury Mosque in London
    for several years beginning
    in 1997 directed the training and
    dispatch of hundreds of terrorists,
    worldwide and within the
    UK. In the 7 July 2005 London
    Subway bombings by his disciples,
    known as “7/7”, 52 people
    were killed and 700 wounded.
    While preparing such attacks,
    Isherwood demonstrated, Hamza
    was under the protection of Britain’s
    MI5 and MI6 on behalf of
    the Crown. The danger will escalate,
    including with more attacks
    in Britain itself, until the dirty apparatus
    behind them is fully exposed
    and rooted out.

    History and Philosophy of the Citizens Electoral Council

    CEC Australia is a national political party, established in 1988 in Queensland.

    In the early 1990s, the CEC became closely associated with the LaRouche organisation in the U.S.A. Our collaboration with Mr. LaRouche and his cothinkers worldwide, is based on achieving peace through economic development, both for Australia, and for all regions of the world.

    In 1990, the CEC developed an economic programme for the reconstruction of our nation entitled Sovereign Australia, and in 1994 published Sovereign Australia II—A Legislative Programme to Save our Nation, which latter contained drafts of the necessary legislation for economic reconstruction, including debt moratoria for farmers and the re-establishment of a national bank, among other key elements; these programmes and legislation are far more urgently needed now, than when they were written.

    By far the most pressing issue of our times, both for Australia and for the world, is the accelerating onset of a new Great Depression, one which was caused by the insane policies of globalisation, privatisation, deregulation, etc., policies which, if not soon reversed, will plunge the world not merely into a depression, but into a New Dark Age beyond the imagination of most people alive today. For over three decades, only one economist in the world has both predicted this new Depression, and has proposed policies on how to get out of it—Lyndon LaRouche. The proposals of Mr. LaRouche, a several-time U.S. Presidential candidate (including in 2004), have earned him the bitter, unrelenting enmity of the City of London and Wall Street, which the old Australian Labor Party denounced as "The Money Power". Together with the news media and government agencies under their influence on several continents, London and Wall Street have mounted what Ramsey Clarke, the former U.S. Attorney General, has called "a broader range of deliberate cunning and systematic misconduct, over a longer period of time, utilizing the power of the federal government, than any other prosecution by the U.S. government, in my time, or to my knowledge". London and Wall Street are terrified that Mr. LaRouche's "New Bretton Woods" proposal to return to a system of sovereign, protectionist nation-states (as in the early postwar period) will bankrupt the power of the world financial oligarchy, paving the way for governments to pursue policies of the "general welfare" or "common good", as opposed to enriching a tiny minority of individuals, at the expense of everyone else.

    As does Mr. LaRouche, the CEC represents the Judeo-Christian-Islamic view that all human beings are created in the living image of God the Creator, and are therefore endowed with creative reason, unlike any other species. This "divine spark" of reason common to all mankind, means that there is only one race—the human race—contrary to the racist premises of multiculturalism. Since all men and women are created equal, they are thus sovereign individuals under natural law, and the sacred duty of governments is to foster the common good—the economic and social conditions under which each and every individual may flourish, and therefore contribute to the good of his or her nation, and to mankind as a whole.

    A major contributing factor to the present economic collapse, is the anti-human, bestial policies represented by the rock-drug-sex counterculture which took off in the 1960s. The "me first", "me only" policies championed by the counterculture, are precisely those also championed by the economic policies of globalisation, privatisation, etc.; indeed, the former has helped prepare the way for the latter. The CEC is committed, as is Mr. LaRouche, to urgently re-establishing a new Golden Renaissance, based upon the Classical tradition in art and philosophy, where the creative powers of each individual are fostered, to the benefit of both the individual, and of the entire society.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2015

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