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Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by toovs, Jul 4, 2007.

  1. toovs

    toovs Member

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    choc 160m 23t 4off loads
    g stewart 94m 28t
    luke williamson 4m 19t 1 bloody hitup yet poeple say we need him in the team fairdikum :bdh:
     
  2. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    Exactly -- what I have been saying for a while now.

    All he does is make tackles, now attack at all.

    How come Tongue can make MORE tackles, but set up tries and score himself.

    Punt him, Stewart can be our tackle happy back-rower, and he can offload and break tackles as well.
     
  3. silver

    silver Active Member

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    I have never been a fan of Williamson since the day we signed him. Why we persist with a person who does not excel in any area does bother me - we certainly have people who can offer more than him - Matt Balin comes to mind very quickly.
     
  4. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    Is that a season average or from one game? :roll:

    How many minutes played?
     
  5. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

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    Willow only played 35 minutes for his 19 tackles and no misses.

    Choc made 23 in 80 with 2 misses.
     
  6. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    So it would make sense to look at a season average to gain a clearer picture of what each player contributes to the side?
     
  7. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

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    To be honest I can't remember the last time he made an impact in a good way in a game.
     
  8. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    From NRL Stats. All season averages:

    Glenn Stewart: Meters 119 Tackles 33 Line break 5
    Choc: Meters 154 Tackles 27.5 Line brake 11
    Willo: Meters 42 Tackles 27.7 Line break 0

    Ballin: Meters 45 Tackles 26


    Williamson makes as many tackles as the rest of the forwards but contributes nothing to attack.
     
  9. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    From memory Choc gave away the ball in that stupid push back which led to their first try. Panicy play, which you can never accuse Willo of doing. I like Willo and he makes me feel secure in the defensive sort when he comes on. I never look for him to create, just defend, which he does effectively
     
  10. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    DSM, if his job is only to defend, why isn't he making more than 27 tackles? Players like Hindmars make many more tackles than him, and make over double the metres he does.
     
  11. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, thats a very telling statistic.

    To defend Willow you have to either suggest he excels in other areas outside merely the tackle count or performs vastly better in the tackle count compared to others.

    That would be a neat trick to convince me of that.

    Im afraid, "feeling secure" doesnt cut the mustard on this one.
     
  12. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, Jatz. He doesn't even excel at tackling. His miss tackle average is pretty good at 1.1, but he only makes 27 tackles. Not good enough if that's all he does.
     
  13. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Without backing him 1 way or the other because i am not sure either way on Williamson, there is 1 area which isn't measured by stats, and according to the experts it is a huge part of todays game, and that is the wrestle on the ground. Can't remember who it was that said it but they said he was in the top 2 in the comp in that area
     
  14. DVS Matt

    DVS Matt Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    why worry - he'll be out of the backrow once lyon/matai push beaver out of centre

    he's the best option with the current injuries.

    he's an 80 minute player. When he does play 80 mins he makes 35-40 tackles and makes 50-60 metres. Not stand out i agree - but a workhorse like Tony Grimaldi used to be for the Dogs.
     
  15. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean the part of the tackle to get the player on his back to slow the play the ball, Kiwi?

    If that's the case, why do other teams always seem to be able to play the ball quicker than us?
     
  16. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    If you look at his disastrous results of late compared to early on, I would say that is the most dissapointing thing. Has he lost his drive and passion?
     
  17. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Yeah thats the part mate, Williamson is regarded as among the best at it. Most teams have a wrestling coach these days beleive it or not

    For part two, that would be because the entire team is not that great at it maybe, i don't know
     
  18. Downie

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    He's only been playing 40 minutes or less lately for those stats though. Against the Dragons he went off in the first half for Cuthbertson I think and wasn't seen again until the last 5 minutes.
     
  19. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'd have Willo over Cuthbertson or Bryant any day. If Willo was on the park for the full 80 in the recent past then maybe our defensive efforts over the last three games may have been better, as that's really the only thing he's good at, but I'm not Des and he makes those calls. CIG imo the games are won on defense. Our star studded backline will get that atack up and scoring. Leave the engine room to defend.
     
  20. Bring_Back_The_Cliff

    Bring_Back_The_Cliff New Member

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    Holding down a player 27 times out of over 200 during a game isn't very effective tbh. But in defence of Willow, what Matt is saying is spot on. He is a solid mistake free player much like grimaldi. I suppose i'd rather willow who is safe and makes the necessary tackles than some hack who will throw stupid passes and missed tackles, yet makes 100 metres.
     

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