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Players support NFL style lockout.

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by globaleagle, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +7,587 / 55
    ...Over the salary cap....

    SUPERSTARS Cameron Smith and Johnathan Thurston will take centre stage today as talks between the ARL Commission and players union threaten to erupt over the clubs' desire to ensure the salary cap remains at $5 million next season.....

    .....Next year's salary cap has implications for several clubs, notably Parramatta and Manly. The Eels are desperately attempting to make room for Israel Folau while the Sea Eagles have been unable to register the contract of fullback Brett Stewart because they are over next year's cap. Mattiske also confirmed the commission was yet to register the contract of Sonny Bill Williams, who is due to return to rugby league with the Sydney Roosters next season.


    .....Stewart's teammate Jamie Lyon yesterday supported an All Stars game boycott if the ARLC refused to play ball. "I think it's definitely an option and something we have to sit down and have a chat about,'' Lyon told Fox Sports


    edit: The big problem is the players are sending in unqualified people (players) to negotiate an increase.

    Smith, Thurston, and Hayne don't strike me as who I'd want to have the negotiating skills to get a 1.5 million cap increase.

    Also:....What is also yet to be determined is whether the club grants - now set at $7 million - would rise in line with any cap increase. Cash-strapped clubs - which will be represented by Bulldogs boss Todd Greenberg at Friday's meeting - would push for the ARL Commission to foot the bill.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/mattiske-not-ruling-out-increase-in-salary-cap-20121129-2ais3.html#ixzz2DdTXELIi
  2. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Anywhere but Parramatta
    +5,127 / 99
    They should get serious and boycot state of origin as well. Or do they get paid too much for that.
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  3. Frogz

    Frogz Don't mess with the goat, he has photos. Premium Member

    Sydney, Australia
    +1,359 / 36
    Thurston and Hayne couldnt spell there own names....
  4. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +11,498 / 254
    About time the Players Association developed some balls and represented their group.

    Im really pissed off at the ARLC 20,000k attendance target, whilst moving most games out of the Family timeslot into evenings and schooldays :huh:

    Secondly, the ARLC bleet about keeping elite athletes in the NRL, yet they begrudge a fair share of Broadcast rights to the Clubs that need to recruit and retain the very same athletes :huh:

    A $7 million cap should be the very lowest negotiation point by the Players Association and Club Administrators.:exclamation:

    Thank God that Greenturd considers his Centre of Excellence and impoverished enterprise. Makes Brookie a candidate for the Federal Government's Boat People handout :p
  5. eagle-rock08

    eagle-rock08 Active Member

    +70 / 0
    When is enough money, enough?

    It seems our society is based on greed.

    Without rugby league a lot of these guys would be driving trucks earning around $60K.

    I may be out of step here but it seems to me that players get well paid at the moment.

    I know they only have a short life in the game overall, but? Let's not kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
  6. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +8,865 / 99
    Without the players there would be no billion dollar TV deal. The players wages should reflect that.
  7. RL Gronk

    RL Gronk New Member

    +117 / 0
    I'm with the players on this. I read they want 6.5 million to be spread amongst the top 30 in each club. 2
    With injuries top 25 squads are too small.
  8. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

    +494 / 0
    So your saying if the company you work for somehow got a heap of money via a new contract you'd be happy to stay at the pay that your on?

    Most company's have bonus's in built or employees get renumerated in the next eba.
  9. Mals

    Mals Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Pennant Hills
    +1,450 / 34
    Go players go! I agree thought that they need some smarter players in the negotiating room. Perhaps they should sack their Players Union Rep while they are at it.
  10. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

    Old Bar, NSW
    +1,202 / 21
    Thay cant spell there own names?
  11. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +971 / 7
    The current dithering by the ARLC is unacceptable. They know the TV income for the next 5 years, plus they have digital, NZ rights, finals and merchandising to be added on top and they can't give a figure for next year or any other. Hopeless.

    I'm supporting the players on this.
  12. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

    +480 / 0
    Grammatical corrections must make one feel good about their small man syndrome, I'd like to thank God I'm not small
  13. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +2,424 / 31
    If you're gonna have a nudge at others calling them stupid probably not a bad idea to have your own house in order 1st
  14. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

    +855 / 43
    I think you mean "many companies do but most don't"---but in terms of individual contracts most do.

    There should not be a salary cap to start with fullstop.
  15. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +7,587 / 55
    Yeah KE, where is your fullstop?

  16. Ralphie

    Ralphie Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I have no fixed opinion on player payments, but here are some facts. Club sponsorships, gate takings, membership and merchandise sales barely cover the running costs of a club, so there's no share of that revenue for the players. The salary cap amount is matched by a club grant from the NRL (I concede in 2013 it will be greater than). If we take a bit of a guess at the salary cap for the next 5 years and assume that what we are really carving up is the TV rights money of $1 billion over the next 5 years, then the sums are like this:

    2013 Cap $5.00 million X 16 Clubs = $80 million
    2014 Cap $5.75 million X 16 Clubs = $92 million
    2015 Cap $6.50 million X 16 Clubs = $104 million
    2016 Cap $7.25 million X 16 Clubs = $116 million
    2017 Cap $8.00 million X 16 Clubs = $128 million

    TOTAL = $520 million or 52% of the available revenue.

    Remember this is just the elite players. It leaves $480 million over 5 years to pay for NRL overheads, marketing of the game and development of the grassroots of the game.

    So how much more do the elite players want?
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  17. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Fully support increasing the minimum payment for the top 30 players to say $90k pa and big improvements in concessions for long serving players.

    Salary cap should be $5.5m next year so we can keep snake and our other players.
  18. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

    Old Bar, NSW
    +1,202 / 21
    Just on Grammar, "Grammatical corrections must make one feel good about one's small man syndrome".

    Back in your hole with your thesaurus, Shane.
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  19. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    Mona Vale
    +4,715 / 96
    Club revenue would increase dramatically if the ARL scheduled matches when fans wanted to attend. In Manly's case, it would be on a Sunday afternoon.

    Trouble is that Channel Nein schedule matches to keep fans away from attending and in front of a television. The poor scheduling also reduces the opportunity for clubs to make money by selling memberships.

    Because the ARL has sold its soul to TV, broadcast fees make up the vast majority of revenue the game turns over.
    The clubs are unable to make more money and have to act like beggars to the ARL. It's undignified.
    For me, the clubs, and we fans, are being screwed.
  20. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +7,587 / 55

    And couple that with "we are aiming to get 20,000 people per game" but in reality are scheduling games so that this can not happen can only mean that once again the arlc are 'selling' out to 9 via ultimately shifting most matches to big soulless stadiums.

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