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Our best team?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Downie, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. Downie

    Downie Active Member

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    Come finals time, with all players being fit and ready to go (save for Rose) what team would you like to see? What do you reckon is our best 17, given that a lot of players are starting to hit their best form? I'd have to go with:

    1. Brett Stewart
    2. Chris Hicks
    3. Steve Bell
    4. Jamie Lyon
    5. Michael Robertson
    6. Steve Menzies
    7. Matt Orford
    8. Jason King
    9. Michael Monaghan
    10. Brent Kite
    11. Anthony Watmough
    12. Glenn Stewart
    13. Luke Williamson

    14. Matt Ballin
    15. Glenn Hall
    16. Mark Bryant
    17. Adam Cuthbertson

    Burns and Matai to miss out, in my opinion. Menzies played better at five-eighth in the last two games then Lyon or Burns all year, and Lyon is killing it at centre which would leave Matai fighting for a bench spot (and maybe getting it over Bryant). Burns shouldn't play again this year considering the amount of football he's missed lately, and he also restricts our attack a lot due to the fact he likes to run the ball a lot more than passing it.

    I believe that team above could easily win the Premiership.
     
  2. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Agreed Downie, can't quibble with this lot. Perhaps King on the bench as he's not played for some time and Jack A given a start ahead of Bryant..
     
  3. Pepi

    Pepi Well-Known Member

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    Is everyone convinced we can win with Beaver at 5/8th?
    He has had a few good games there, but i still remember when he was being used as a 5/8th in 2005 and was shunted for Sam Harris.
     
  4. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Sam Haris, now there's a fond memory, not.
     
  5. Downie

    Downie Active Member

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    To be fair, we have a lot more creativity in the team now with Orford, Lyon and a much improved Stewart. He plays the role a lot better than Lyon did, and he can run, pass, kick- the lot. Even if he shares the role of second receiver with Stewart, it's probably better than having Lyon there, who's a lot more effective wider out.
     
  6. Garts

    Garts Well-Known Member

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    I am leaning towards Matai in the side as he makes alot of metres from dummy half and has good aggression. Lyon can have more of a roving role with Menzies slotting in at second receiver when needed.
     
  7. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    01. Brett Stewart
    02. Michael Robertson
    03. Steve Matai
    04. Steven Bell
    05. Chris Hicks
    06. Jamie Lyon
    07. Matt Orford
    08. Jason King
    09. Michael Monaghan
    10. Brent Kite
    11. Anthony Watmough
    12. Steve Menzies
    13. Glenn Stewart

    14. Matt Ballin
    15. Adam Cuhbertson
    16. Glenn Hall
    17. Jack Afamasaga

    Players to unfortunately miss out:-

    Mark Bryant
    Luke Williamson
    Travis Burns
    Jason Wells
    George Rose (through injury)
    Clint Halden
     
  8. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I am probably leaning towards Garts and Ryan, although possibly would have Williamson on the bench over Ballin.

    Won't be disappointed with Downies side either though.
    Both have their Pro's and Con's.

    Whoever gets the 6 won't be playing a traditional role anyway, more of a roving commission. We now have Lyon with confidence and form behind him who could fill that role nicely, and i still beleive him to be a more potent force on the right hand side of the park.

    The main thing in the finals is having x-factor players, and we have them.
    Stewart, lightning pace can make a try from nothing
    Orford, if he is firing
    Watmough, can break tackles at will
    Lyon, has all the ability
    Matai, big hit could change momentum, and has a nice offload
    Menzies, can do it all
     
  9. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I don't think either would make the team personally!!! :lol:
     
  10. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I think the only really contentious selection is Matai.

    It doesn't really matter who gets picked at 6, if Menzies, Lyon, Orford and Stewart keep doing the ball work at Fridays standard, then a number on a back means nothing. I remember Menzies played a bit of 5/8 around the time we were experimenting with Harris, among others, with little success. So much so that there were plenty of calls for "never again". It's amazing what some good cattle running at holes and a dominating pack can do for your stock price.

    Back to the point of the thread. If Matai comes in then either Willo or Ballin have to miss out. IMO both these players offer more than Matai does to the team dynamic, so for mine I'd leave Matai out and go with Fridays side with Monas in for Wells, and King in for Afa when fit.

    The only thing that worries me a little is the time split between Monas and Ballin if they are both picked. How would people see that working out ?? They are both 70-80 minute players, so how do you reconcile having both of them in the side ?? Do they compliment each other or hinder each others contribution ??
     
  11. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Anyone know if Matai will be fit to play against "New Zealand B" this weekend?

    It's a worry that Manly have re-signed him for 3 years given his injury track record.

    I guess no-one can snub an International though.
     
  12. Garts

    Garts Well-Known Member

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    I don't think either would make the team personally!!! :loll:

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    At least we were considered, you would be lucky to be considered for a bench spot with Beacon Hill reserves :D

    Willow will be in our best 17, surely. Des likes his work ethic and he has been there all year, he wont be dropped when all players are back.
     
  13. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    When Matai is back Willo will stay in the squad and Ballin will drop to PL till next year!!! Bank on it.

    True Garts - I would be lucky to make Beacon Hill Reserves!!! :lol:
     
  14. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

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    Willow will keep playing Lock, it's to late in the season to change that possition. Barring injury.
     
  15. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Garts and Ryan; riddle me this comrades. What on earth does Matai add ? Maybe a 'big' hit occasionally, and takes the ball up, occasionally, and gets injured, often, and that's about all. His defensive weaknesses are known to all coaches and that makes him one big liability. Willo must be in the team for his 80 minute defensive efforts.
     
  16. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Who would have thought that a communist Batman was alive & well and living on the northern beaches of Sydney ?
     
  17. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Just to add to the debate did a bit of research on Lyon and Matai at Left Centre

    Lyon, 10 games, 5 tries, 5 Line breaks, 3 Line Break Assists, 2 try assists,15 Offloads , 21 Tackle Breaks , 68mpg, 17 tackles pg, 1.1 miss pg, 11 errors, 3 penalites

    Matai, 7 games, 1 try, 1 Line Break, 4 line break assists, 2 try assists, 11 offloads, 15 tackle Breaks, 100.7 mpg, 7 tackles pg, 2.4 miss pg, 10 errors, 4 penalties

    So basically looking at those, if we want someone to help the forwards and do the dirty work, we take Matais metres, good averge considering he didnt finish 2 games, and if we want the more solid defender, we go Lyon. Both offer something different to the side, depends on what Des wants in the game plan i guess

    Also looked into Matais record of games played over the 3 years with us

    Played 11 in year 1, would pretty much be the max available
    24/26 last year as well, so this year is the 1st one he has really had any concerns
     

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