OFFICIAL: HASLER SACKED & SEIBOLD NEW COACH

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If only Arko was 40 years younger and could come back and sort this all out.
  • Club ownership = problem,
  • lack of local juniors pool population to draw from = problem
  • cap concentrated in to just a few players = problem
  • confusing religion with football = problem
MWSE has many issues that seem unsolvable. Certainly the current management/ownership will not be able to do so.
Finish 14th-17th next year.
 
If only Arko was 40 years younger and could come back and sort this all out.
  • Club ownership = problem,
  • lack of local juniors pool population to draw from = problem
  • cap concentrated in to just a few players = problem
  • confusing religion with football = problem
MWSE has many issues that seem unsolvable. Certainly the current management/ownership will not be able to do so.
Finish 14th-17th next year.
What do you mean unsolvable, we just sacked the coach. Problem solved!
 
Thanks Des for the memories 👍
BUT 7 losses in a row is enough for any coach or manager to be punted ( in the EPL lose 5 in a row and you are gone !!).
Forget about all the other sht that has gone on, but really the way we played in the second part of the year was total unacceptable to you , the Club, the owner, the Board , the sponsors ,us the fans and most important the players themselves !
So Des sorry but you had to go because 2023 would have just been another wasted year for all concerned.
Thank God now a decision has finally been made (right or wrong) ,so let’s clear the air and get on with starting to support our Club and the new changes so 2023 maybe a lot better for us fans on and off the park !!
 
Remind me of how many coaches and CEOs Penn has gone through since taking over. Trying to pin this all on Des is a bloody joke given Penn has just as much of a **** track record.

Reality its probably a combination of both Des and Penn's mess, but Des will at least always be a club legend having played and coached us to premierships.

Penn has added sweet **** all value to the club in my opinion.
Penn reminds me John Wayne Gacy…..not the killings but the filthy pig who likes little boys!
 
I assume the big lure to get Bold Boy here is a holiday in New York before and after his new team plays a half-cocked rugby league match to start the 2023 NRL season...
 
The thing is Seibold will have about 10 rounds grace. After that . .. . the crocs in the water will roll him over and gobble him up, if he cant win 50%. I've lent them my tooth file, to achieve that nice pointed look.
 
Seibold will get us well clear of the spoon with his intellectually stimulating, extraordinarily upbeat, and passionately delivered words of wisdom.
Sorry, you're confusing the two of them as well. Its Anthony Seibold, not Jerry Seinfeld.
 
I hated when Des walked out on us in '11. Felt so betrayed. Despite that, when he was reappointed I honestly thought he could deliver us another Premiership. It surprised me that I felt so happy to have hime back.
Unfortunately It's been obvious, particularly this year, through his pressers etc. that he isn't the driven, passionate coach he once was. He just doesn't appear to have the same charisma to drive this generation of player. They're a strange mob these Gen Z's or whatever they are.
I have been in two minds regarding whether he should stay or go. Now that it's done it's still very sad that once again the Manly club and a club legend part ways so negatively.
Not sold on Seibold.
He was Barrett's assistant FFS!
I will give him my support. No other choice. String some wins together and may even decide to like him.
FAAARK me, this team is a rollercoaster.
Go Manly!
 
Reading between the lines, Des was aware of the pride jersey round well in advance, poop hit the fan and then he opted to throw others under a bus? This occurred after demanding that he take charge of the press conference making it seem that management/owners were silent? I'm almost certain that this ultimately forms the basis/grounds for his sacking under the 'bringing the club into disrepute' clause.
Let's see.
I thought the footy department new but didn't tell Des
 
Here's the text:

The problem at Manly was not coach Des Hasler - it’s owner and chairman Scott Penn.

What’s gone down at the Sea Eagles in the past few months, and particularly this week, confirms that much. It’s hardly surprising when Penn spends most of his time living in New York, devising ways to hold an NRL match in the US where he can hang with Hugh Jackman.

Why Penn ruthlessly managed Hasler - a club great and two-time premiership coach - towards the exit at Brookvale isn’t entirely clear.

When Channel Nine’s Danny Weidler door-stopped him after a board meeting on Tuesday, Penn looked like the proverbial deer in the headlights, bottom lip quivering because he was finally being asked some tough questions on the record.

Asked why Hasler was being moved on, Penn said: “We have a premiership-winning team. What we need is a football department that can get us back there as quickly as possible.”

After Penn brought Hasler back to the club in 2019 - “when no-one else wanted him” - to clean up the mess left by Trent Barrett, Hasler made the semi-finals, finished 13th, reached a preliminary final, and this year finished 11th following the season-ending injury to the game’s best player, Tom Trbojevic, and the Rainbow Jersey controversy caused by the ham-fisted actions of club management, not the coach.

Hasler was sacked on Thursday morning following a board meeting. The decision was never about football but a clash of egos.

On one hand, you had an owner concerned about “optics” - his favourite term - and mitigating financial exposure for his family’s business. On the other, a coach who’s a noted control freak that still has the 50-cent piece he found in the Brookvale Oval tunnel at a halftime when he was a player in the 1980s.

Des is Des, bless him. He can be trickier to deal with than a Burmese Python. With the magic comes the madness. But it’s not like Penn didn’t know what kind of coach he was signing.

If he couldn’t remember Hasler’s first incarnation at Brookvale, surely he observed Hasler’s messy exit from the Bulldogs and established some clear boundaries - in writing - for his second.

Former Bulldogs chief executive Todd Greenberg and chairman Ray Dib still argue about who gave Hasler so much autonomy at Belmore. Hasler argued he had to get his hands on every facet of the Manly operation this time around out of necessity. The club runs on a skeleton staff compared to others and changes chief executives like they’re oil filters.

Many within Manly believe what truly aggrieved Penn was the way Hasler handled himself in the 23-minute media conference in response to the rainbow jersey controversy that tore the playing group in half.

A narrative has been spun that Hasler “slammed” management. I’d suggest people watch it again. You’ll find a coach doing an admirable job answering tough questions from tough non-rugby league reporters about tough non-rugby league matters when someone from the front office should have been in the hot seat.

New chief executive Tony Mestrov hadn’t started, so Hasler was forced to stand in. Where was Penn? Where was acting CEO Gary Wolman? Where was whoever was responsible for the ****-show?

Instead, Hasler took all the bullets. Throughout the media cross-examination, he constantly apologised for the mistakes “we have made”. He threw nobody under the bus and it’s duplicitous to argue otherwise.

Penn and Mestrov have identified Anthony Seibold as a potential solution. Good grief.

Seibold is a nice enough guy, has a deep knowledge of the game and has a future as a head coach. But if he couldn’t handle the politics of the Broncos, how will he handle the politics of Manly, which often feels like a never-ending season of House of Cards?

He talked a good game to get the job at Red Hill. Now Penn is swallowing it up at Manly.
Clubs usually sack players after they lose the playing group. Hasler had pretty much the whole dressing-room, including Tom and Jake Trbojevic, firmly in his corner.

He did so by blindly, for better or worse, backing them. A week ago, with his own future uncertain, Hasler sat in a witness box providing a character reference for Manase Fainu, who has been found guilty of plunging a steak knife into the back of a man at a Mormon church dance in southwestern Sydney.

It’s become a modern-day reality in rugby league that clubs can’t sack a coach unless they have a viable alternative.

Hasler had one year to run on his $900,000-a-season deal. He was asked to do a review, then come up with a succession plan, so he suggested Josh Hannay, but the club rejected it and said they wanted Seibold anyway.

If Penn and Mestrov knew the answer to the question they were asking, why ask it?

This was always going to end one way: with Hasler being sacked and then launching legal action. Hasler is said to be devastated about his messy exit because of his 30-year association with the club — but he’ll be licking his lips about a payout.

Dib’s tongue must have been firmly planted in his cheek when he told News Corp earlier this week that Manly must sack Hasler immediately.

History buffs will remember Dib re-signed Hasler in April 2018 before sacking him six months later before the Bulldogs eventually paid Hasler more than $1 million in damages.

It’s unlikely to cost Manly that much but his legal team is confident about his position.

Shuffling Hasler out the door resolves little, though. On Penn’s watch, a once-proud club has descended into chaos. The buck stops with him.

There’s been speculation for years about the Penns selling out of Manly. Asking price: $40 million. They’ve recently knocked back offers of between $20 and $25 million.

If they keep paying out coaches and pissing on club legends, they’ll be lucky if they can hock it to Cash Converters.
 
Agree It is no way to treat a club legend both as a players and coach

Not too many other coaches have this record

  • 14 finals series
  • 5 grand finals
  • 2 premierships

My question is what happens if Seibold turns out to be a dud coach next year?

Where to then?
Most likely Shane flannagan.... we seem to be the destination for coaches no other clubs want?!
 
Seibold will get us well clear of the spoon with his intellectually stimulating, extraordinarily upbeat, and passionately delivered words of wisdom.
With his signature Marvin the Martian impression. I am sure the players will be amused, because the last laugh will be on us.
 

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