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How Roosters defied the stats to win

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Eagles Nest 08, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. Eagles Nest 08

    Eagles Nest 08 Active Member

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    Saw this article .... so we had 82% completion verses The Roosters 63%, but the overall possession ended up Manly 47% v’s Roosters 53%? How & why ...?

    The sway was: ".... However, a 5-2 advantage in penalties helped the tricolours secure a crucial 53 per cent share of possession. This translated into 16 more ‘used plays’ throughout the 80 minutes ...."

    How Roosters defied the stats to win
    http://www.nrl.com/how-roosters-defied-stats-to-win/tabid/10874/newsid/75038/default.aspx

    The statistics never lie – or so the saying goes. But try telling that to the tens of thousands of crestfallen Manly fans who watched in agony as the Sea Eagles dominated the 2013 NRL grand final in most facets of the big game
    except where it mattered most – on the ANZ Stadium scoreboard.

    Exclusive statistics supplied by NRL Stats show the Sydney Roosters clinched the 2013 title despite recording just a 62.8 per cent completions rate – the lowest ever rate by a winning grand final team since the NRL began in 1998 and the lowest in a premiership decider since Parramatta accounted for the Bulldogs 4-2 in 1986 despite just a 60.5 per cent completions rate.

    By comparison the Sea Eagles completed an excellent 82 per cent of their sets in possession.

    Compounding the disappointment of Manly fans was the fact their team made fewer errors (seven to the Roosters’ 13), missed fewer tackles (25 to 26), made more line busts (5-4) yet still couldn’t seal the deal.

    However, a 5-2 advantage in penalties helped the tricolours secure a crucial 53 per cent share of possession. This translated into 16 more ‘used plays’ throughout the 80 minutes.

    In the end it boiled down to the Roosters battering rams paving the way to victory, with the Bondi boys pounding out 76 distinct hit-ups for a gain of 572 metres – 30 hit-ups and 215 metres more than the Sea Eagles’ tall timber managed.

    Other key statistics and trivia from the 2013 Grand Final include:

    • Trailing 12-8 five minutes into the second half the tricolours had already committed nine errors (including four inside their own half) before Steve Matai crossed out wide to open up an 18-8 advantage. The last time a team made so many errors and still won a grand final was in 1998 when the bumbling Broncos made 13.

    • It was a stunning turnaround as the Roosters previously hadn’t won a game after trailing with 30 minutes remaining since March last season.

    • Shaun Kenny-Dowall’s match-turning try on the hour was the 20th try the Roosters scored from inside their own half in 2013, the most by any team.

    • With Kenny-Dowall, Michael Jennings, Steve Matai and Jamie Lyon all awarded tries the 2013 decider marked the first time all four centres have scored in a grand final.

    • Manly became just the fourth team to ever score 18 points or more in a decider and still go down (joining Balmain in 1945, Dragons in 1999 and the Eels in 2001).

    • Daly Cherry-Evans may have seemed a controversial choice as Clive Churchill Medal winner but there was no denying his input; DC-E added 15 kicks, 11 runs for 114 metres, 15 tackles, eight tackle-breaks, two line-breaks, a try assist and an offload.

    * Statistics: NRL Stats
     
  2. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    And the most amazing stat of all - Easts, the most penalised team in the NRL (and in history), don't give away a penalty for the final 60 minutes of the grand final.
    Now that sort of refereeing is worth money in the bank!
     
  3. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I almost vomited when I read this.
     
  4. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Twice as many hit ups !!!! Wow. Being down on props cost us in the end. Basically they bashed a hole in us, it took them 60 minutes but they got there. And still we left some beef sitting fresh on the bench for 75 of the 80 minutes. Hard to work out.
     
  5. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    At 18-8 and Manly in possession where were the penalties for offside,infringing the ruck, markers not square, hands on the ball, holding down in the tackles. This was a stitch up by Hayne from start to end. Manly needs to blow big time over this corrupt prick and refuse to play with him as ref next year.
     
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  6. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I'd like someone far smarter than me to list all the obviously bad decisions he has given against us in important matches, and the number of penalties for and against us, to see if our criticism of his bias is justified.
    If so, then we - and other clubs - should be able to have a 'clubs choice' restricting a certain referee from their matches.
     
  7. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    This was Warren Ryan's point on his call - 'through no skill or effort, the Roosters are in attacking positions,forcing Manly to burn up energy in defence, because of Referee errors. Also why Lyon is frustrated in being told to just get on and play!'
    The podcast on the ABC is worth a listen, as its the first game that Wok saw the light.

    But a moral victory is not what Manly wanted :(
    Should make the Boys focused in 2014 :)
     
  8. Rodo

    Rodo Goldmember 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Do you have a link to the podcast?
     
  9. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Can a Manly mod move this to another forum?

    The title sickens me.

    (Even though technically it belongs in this forum.)

    general disgust-ion is my suggestion.
     
  10. sheridanstand78

    sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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    The fact is that after 20 minutes with the score at 6-0 , the chooks were not in the game and that only happened after Bl@@####dy Hayne intervened and gave them 3 penalities on the spin and the before we knew it we were behind.

    We had the better of the stats but were devoid of fairness from this man.

    Its Eddie Ward in 95 all over again. Dogs got every calll in that game.
     
  11. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    This is all I could find - you can really hear 'Manly,Manly' :D:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-06/nrl-grand-final-highlights/5001824?section=sport

    8:01 JWH drops the ball - the head butt that wasn't :mad:
    Hayne 'We are going with the Penalty' WTF :mad:

    6:23 Killers' penalty try
    DCE's running game lauded

    4:20 Matai's try 18-8

    2:33 Forward pass try


    Its only a highlights - the two Teams tries basically. :(
     

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