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Foran vs Keary

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Ryan, Oct 9, 2014.

  1. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Keary's vow: I'm not leaving

    Grand Final hero Luke Keary has rejected any talk of a move away from the Rabbitohs, instead planning a South Sydney dynasty alongside the young talent that were so crucial in breaking a 43-year premiership drought on Sunday night.

    On the eve of Sunday's Grand Final reports emerged that the Gold Coast Titans were interested in making a play for the 22-year-old when he comes off contract at the end of the 2015 season but in the wake of a fairytale grand final triumph Keary said he intends to commit to a long-term tenure at Redfern.

    "To be honest, at the moment I couldn't imagine being anywhere else," Keary told NRL.com. "I love every person in this club, it's a great club and we've got a great culture.

    "We've built something over the last three years and a lot of young kids played tonight. I think there were six of us and I couldn't see myself anywhere else."

    A return to the Gold Coast would seem highly unlikely given the emotional scars Keary still carries from their rejection of him back in 2011.

    An Australian Schoolboys rugby union representative in 2010 who was told by numerous organisations that he was too small to make it in first grade, playing for Burleigh in the Intrust Super Cup as a 19-year-old still wasn't enough for Keary to be offered a contract with the Titans.

    "They're all pretty tough at the time obviously but probably the last one there at the end when I was up on the Gold Coast," Keary said when asked which was the toughest of his repeated knock-backs. "I'd just come out of school and their under-20s were struggling a bit at the time so that 'no' hurt and I nearly thought that was the end. Thank God for Souths!

    "When I was 19 I think something clicked. I knew this is what I wanted and I knew I had to sacrifice a lot but I always believed in myself. I just had to find the right system and I was lucky enough to end up here and in the hands of 'Madge' (Rabbitohs coach Michael Maguire) and (under-20s coach) Benny Gardiner and the like and I owe all the credit to those boys."

    While he credits Maguire for his development into an NRL five-eighth, Keary recalls the confronting first meeting with the man who would eventually move the most capped Rabbitoh of all time, John Sutton, in order to find the new kid on the block a place in his team.

    It was the start of pre-season training ahead of Keary's first year at South Sydney in 2012 and although it would prove to be the making of the young man, it almost broke him.

    "I do remember the first training run. I'd just come back from two weeks in England on the drink and I rocked up to under-20s training and he was standing there ready to take us," Keary recalled.

    "I remember going home and saying to the old man, 'I don't think I can do this.' I hadn't been in anything like it or done anything like it before but the big fella said just to stick it out and that first pre-season was massive for me.

    "(Maguire) is the most passionate, hard-working, dedicated person that I think I've ever met. The hours he puts in, he knows what he's talking about, he's surrounded himself with the right people and you just want to play for him. You spend five minutes with him and you want to play for him.

    "He's an awesome bloke, he's an awesome person and he doesn't just care about Luke Keary as a footballer he cares about me as a person, too."

    Maguire's presence and reverence amongst the playing group shapes as a key component in keeping a young and talented squad together in the inevitable salary cap squeeze that comes with success.

    Nine members of the Rabbitohs' champion Grand Final team are under the age of 25 and while they have already lost the services of hooker Apisai Koroisau to the Panthers, greater financial challenges await with Keary, Adam Reynolds, Alex Johnston, Kirisome Auva'a, Thomas Burgess, Kyle Turner, Dave Tyrrell and Cameron McInnes all off contract at the end of next season.

    Given their form as a combination in the latter stages of the season the priority will undoubtedly be to keep Reynolds and Keary together in the halves with Keary paying tribute to the faith shown by more senior players after missing the first 16 weeks of the season with a pectoral injury.

    "It's the best moment ever. It's the best moment of my life by far," a jubilant Keary said, slumped in a corner of the South Sydney dressing room surrounded by family.

    "It was obviously tough there at the start but the transition was made easier by 'Madge' putting a lot of trust in me. 'Reyno' put a lot of trust in me, Issac [Luke] put a lot of trust in me, 'Sutto' (John Sutton) put a lot of trust in me and 'GI' (Greg Inglis) put a lot of trust in me.

    "They looked after me there for the first month and let me settle in and just went from there; built a bit of momentum and some things happen in life and you just roll with it."
    Will the drama ever end at Manly?

    Stand-by for more drama out of Manly as the lid is lifted further on the divisions within the club.

    The circumstances surrounding Glenn Stewart's departure are set to be spelt out in greater detail and there is increasing talk of Kieran Foran's displeasure and desire to leave at the end of next year.

    The Warriors will make a BIG play for the Kiwi international.

    At least Manly's Mad Monday (or Sunday as it turned out) went off without any blow-ups...as far as we know.

    The players caught up at Tom Symonds' place to drown their sorrows after the loss to Canterbury.

    We were unable to establish if there were two separate end-of-season parties planned to keep warring factions at bay, but it wouldn't have been a bad idea.
  2. Masked Eagle

    Masked Eagle Well-Known Member

    +976 / 0
    Wow, I can't believe the Warriors are going to try and sign the next kiwi captain when he's off contract!!!! I didn't see that coming!!!
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  3. Loobs

    Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

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    Foran to the Warriors is rubbish. He's lived in Sydney 2/3's of his life. The Kiwi connection is by birth and that's about it. Journos look for any link and play that up even though in most cases it's nothing (aka DCE to the Broncos being a done deal because his dad is mates with Griffith lol).
  4. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    The Keary post read extremely similar to Foran at the same point of his career.

    Ryan, is your point they are going down the same paths?
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  5. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    Mona Vale
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    Am I the only one who thinks Keary is overrated? He's a tough kid for someone so slight, but I have not been impressed with him.
    I must be a bad judge because he seems to be the NRL darling at the moment.
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  6. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    No, my point is one is currently projecting a positive, unified & proactive culture, whilst the other is preaching negativity, dissatisfaction & both their forms towards the end of the season backed up their attitudes.

    I don't care what Foran was saying 3 years ago. What I care about is the damage he's causing to the goodwill of the club, and the relevant stakeholders, by making claims like, "sometimes I wake up and don't want to be playing for Manly".

    If your supportive of that, then mate, I honestly don't think you can go any lower footy wise. You keep defending a bloke who publicly is promoting player displeasure etc.

    Basically, Foran thinks he is bigger than the club. He has his bags packed at the door ready to choof off at the first opportunity. Why should be support him as a player then? If his form was Burgess like (after he signed in the U.K. then fine), but he was garbage for 2.5 months to finish the season.

    End of the day Fluffy, these types of cancers need to be cut out, so the club can move forward. There needs to be an air of professionalism about it all, and right now, the place feels as though it's being run by monkeys, both in management & the playing group.
  7. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Ryan i think it is more one is a now a professional club without infighting
  8. simon64

    simon64 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    No The Who.....you're not a bad judge. He's a good player, but I think he's been aided by playing behind such a dominant pack.

    And he wants to commit long term to Souffs ? Good for him. But he and all his GF heroes will now think they are the next Thurston's and look for big pay rises. And they can't all earn 900 a season.

    (Or can they?......brown paper bags anyone? New boat Greg ?)

    Keary thinks he's going to be winning premierships every year. News flash Luke. There's a reason no-one's defended a premiership in 20 years.

    Ah, the exuberance of youth.
  9. Killer03

    Killer03 Well-Known Member

    +2,663 / 26
    Keary has some talent, and isn't afraid to take the line on....always a good sign for a half. But as others have said, easy to be a quality half behind a Monster Forward pack that has bashed all other teams this year.

    And a career is not built on the good times (in my opinion) it is built in the bad years when you struggle and have to show a lot of soul and tenacity to get where you need to go. And believe my Mr Keary, those days might seem a mile away now, but every player has them.
  10. Kevinward777

    Kevinward777 Well-Known Member

    +1,165 / 26
    Keary's a little cat and Keiren's not.
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  11. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

    +560 / 15
    One's an elite footballer, the other is lucky to be perceived as the reincarnate of Daniel Mortimer.
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  12. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Foran wasn't first grade quality let alone elite the last 9-10 weeks he played. That's on top of demanding a clearing of the air meeting with his bosses.

    He owes the club an apology in my opinion for letting them and his teammates down.

    And it all comes back to his terrible disruptive attitude.
  13. the mauler

    the mauler Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    He won the Manly player of the year award didn't he??
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  14. driftout

    driftout Active Member

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    My observation regarding Foran is that he hasn't really stood up on the biggest stage when the game was there to be won. i'm talking about 2 specific moments. The 2013 Grand final when he went wide late in the tackle count and forced a pass to Lyon who had 2 players virtually on top of him resulting in a dropped ball when a repeat set was paramount. The Roosters won the subsequent scrum and scored a long distance try.

    The other was in the golden point loss to the Bulldogs. Again he went wide by himself late in the tackle count which only added to the panic. Ironically DCE could have taken a field goal the next ruck , but it would have been luck rather than good game management .

    I recall Andrew Johns having to calm Foran down at half time during the Broncos semi final in 2011 because nerves were affecting his performance. Tradesmanlike and wholehearted are more apt adjectives to describe him at this stage of his career. When DCE and Foran are on the park together it seems to me that they seldom get the balance right. I've always thought that Foran was a half-back rather than a five-eighth and recall some of his best games playing in number 7. When he takes the line on and plays he can be very effective. As a five-eighth he plays too much like an 86kg battering ram in my opinion.

    I can also recall him making a fuss about wanting Andrew Johns as a specialist skills coach at Manly. He got his wish so he should be happy.
  15. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

    +3,469 / 128
    can you please show me where Foran was preaching negativity?

    Or are you just following paper talk, you know the same papers that had B Stewart guilty of sexual assault?
  16. Snake

    Snake Doing The Eagle Rock!

    +2,425 / 115
    Foran is all class; I thought he played well at the back end of the year, but was limited in his opportunities due to an understrength and struggling pack. As far as I am concerned, he is still the same champion he has always been. He stuck up for a good mate, voiced his disappointment, and then got on with the year; storm in a tea cup really.
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  17. Mal Cochrane

    Mal Cochrane I'm not really Mal Cochrane...

    +434 / 4
    if the likeness that keary looked great behind a good pack early in his career, and so did Foran.....
  18. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

    +560 / 15
    Mate, that's just hyperbole. He was playing some decent footy, his energy levels were down a bit, but he was still playing at a relatively high level.

    He obviously sensed something was wrong, and wanted to sort it out with Tooves. I'd rather that than him just letting it simmer away. They are both men, it's not a teacher to child relationship. Obviously the coach needs respect, but I don't think this crossed the line and undermined Tooves. Tooves could've told him to shove it if he felt undermined or disrespected.

    Foran wasn't playing with his usual tenacity at the end, but it'd been a long season and he's a new dad, he was drained.

    I didn't like his comment about sometimes not wanting to play for Manly either, but saying he wasn't first grade standard in the last 10 weeks is absurd and hindering your overall argument.
  19. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +6,629 / 118
    I don't think Ryan was making an argument as such, it was more of a policy statement ;)

    (but you're right, if it's an argument it needs a bit more work!)
  20. Harry

    Harry Active Member

    +87 / 0
    Foran is top class and I think Manly will be lucky to hang onto him

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