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Foran More Ballplaying Variations.

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Technical Coach, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

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    Good to see Foran showing the odd variation to his passing game with the show on the inside holding up the slide and inside defenders while also shifting the outside defenders focus on their inside before passing wide.

    I mentioned in a recent post that Foran places too much emphasis on ball playing off his outside hip setting up the outside backs and lacking enough variations. Stepping back against the grain early and ball playing out in front he can show the ball either side not just drift left and ball playing with dummies, pumps and hold backs in the one direction.

    Some people here think Foran is not a ball player i disagree--- he has just been overly focused on setting up our standard plays taking a safe relaxed approach.

    Foran has all the show and goes, dummies, double pumps, hold backs, short and long passing game, face balls, under balls you will ever need just needs to incorporate this range in a variety of plays.

    Was it mere coincidence that this play was displayed last week hmmm maybe TC is the great one after all.
     
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  2. The Who

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    I'm sure you are Foran's inspiration, TC.
    Now you have to work on making shepherds look like tries. The Berries seem to have mastered this art.
     
  3. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

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    There is actually one simple play that will get around the Refs and Camera angles and it's the exact same play "mirrored" hint hint.

    It has been used not often but a few times by other teams but does not raise any suspicions due to the play going against the defensive grain and looking less reliant on the decoy.
     
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    Get your Kleenex ready TC.....
     
  5. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

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    Nah i will just shout the select few a beer after the GF for working out who i am and save the Kleenex for tears of joy knowing all the hard work in these forums paid off.
     
  6. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It's an easy game when he's got good go forward, time, space AND players running holes and getting defences interested. Not the least of which is T-Rex having a good crack the last few weeks. Little wonder Foran looks like the guru when Rex is attracting 3-4 guys on the mere hint of him receiving the ball.

    Foran's looking good because the whole side is looking good.
     
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  7. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It's an easy game when he's got good go forward, time, space AND players running holes and getting defences interested. Not the least of which is T-Rex having a good crack the last few weeks. Little wonder Foran looks like the guru when Rex is attracting 3-4 guys on the mere hint of him receiving the ball.

    Foran's looking good because the whole side is looking good.
     
  8. Technical Coach

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    I did not state he is always looking good just that play of showing it inside and passing outside is a nice variation as Foran always seems to be looking to set up his outside backs allowing defences to just over-slide.

    Even showing it outside and passing inside beyond the stock standard under plays of showing outside and passing to an inside runner.

    At the moment without T-Rex attracting defenders Foran would not be effective---we are overly reliant on T-Rex on that side but it works so often why not go back for more lol.
     
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  9. Technical Coach

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    I did not state he is always looking good just that play of showing it inside and passing outside is a nice variation as Foran always seems to be looking to set up his outside backs allowing defences to just over-slide.

    Even showing it outside and passing inside beyond the stock standard under plays of showing outside and passing to an inside runner.

    At the moment without T-Rex attracting defenders Foran would not be effective---we are overly reliant on T-Rex on that side but it works so often why not go back for more lol.
     
  10. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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    He is simply playing more direct on the back of winning the ruck area, eliminating defensive slide.
     
  11. MK Eagle

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    He is simply playing more direct on the back of winning the ruck area, eliminating defensive slide.
     
  12. Technical Coach

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    What your talking about is a perfect case scenario where the forwards are rolling forward winning the ruck and offering our halves either space away from a defensive line or a retreating defensive line. You expect halves on $350,000 and above to play direct in those situations but what I'm referring to is having options when the general arm wrestle is not allowing that good a platform.

    It's the little 1%'s when combined together create a player above the pack and able to still create something out of conditions not conducive to making life easy for halves.

    From body weight distribution when you first catch the ball and hand position.

    Are you too deep too flat too wide or not wide enough.

    Do you step early to halt the defensive slide and straighten or show it wide early overslide the defense line and then straighten before passing.

    Creating more inside options beyond the hitting Brett Stewart option and adding decoys off your right hip also not just hitting the designated stand alone runner.

    Are you drifting too sideways or drifting and going backwards causing your outside backs to be cramped or over-run the play.

    How to change the mentality of the defensive structure by applying counter measures.

    There are 100's of 1%'s that might only improve a player by 5-10% but will create an extra opening or half break per game.

    Attacking 10m out your not really going to be able to have space or a quick ruck to take advantage of and the little 1%'s help you out in situations where it's hard to play straight or create any openings.

    You can break it down into grids and bore the hell out of players---you would never discuss in technical boring detail like the above as you would create more problems than you solve. A good coach is thinking in this manner and picks a few things to work on every month or so which i'm sure Toovey is doing.
     
  13. Technical Coach

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    What your talking about is a perfect case scenario where the forwards are rolling forward winning the ruck and offering our halves either space away from a defensive line or a retreating defensive line. You expect halves on $350,000 and above to play direct in those situations but what I'm referring to is having options when the general arm wrestle is not allowing that good a platform.

    It's the little 1%'s when combined together create a player above the pack and able to still create something out of conditions not conducive to making life easy for halves.

    From body weight distribution when you first catch the ball and hand position.

    Are you too deep too flat too wide or not wide enough.

    Do you step early to halt the defensive slide and straighten or show it wide early overslide the defense line and then straighten before passing.

    Creating more inside options beyond the hitting Brett Stewart option and adding decoys off your right hip also not just hitting the designated stand alone runner.

    Are you drifting too sideways or drifting and going backwards causing your outside backs to be cramped or over-run the play.

    How to change the mentality of the defensive structure by applying counter measures.

    There are 100's of 1%'s that might only improve a player by 5-10% but will create an extra opening or half break per game.

    Attacking 10m out your not really going to be able to have space or a quick ruck to take advantage of and the little 1%'s help you out in situations where it's hard to play straight or create any openings.

    You can break it down into grids and bore the hell out of players---you would never discuss in technical boring detail like the above as you would create more problems than you solve. A good coach is thinking in this manner and picks a few things to work on every month or so which i'm sure Toovey is doing.
     
  14. Chip and Chase

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    These days all you need is some good decoys runners who can cause maximum confusion with no contact. That's where the skill is 10m out in the NRL, not in 1% over/under plays. Des has it mastered.
     
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    These days all you need is some good decoys runners who can cause maximum confusion with no contact. That's where the skill is 10m out in the NRL, not in 1% over/under plays. Des has it mastered.
     
  16. MK Eagle

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    Agree with your analysis here TC though maintain his attacking options are mainly on the back of winning the ground war, though as you state correctly, has lifted his game when under the pump also.
    Another thing I have noted with Foz attacking game TC, he was always playing at the line often getting hammered, especially 1 particular game vs Titans (Think it was Tagatese). At times it was Gavin Miller like.
    Since THAT game he started playing early ball or when he ran to the line it was more a show & go himself - that option of passing at the line seemed to go from his game, with a pass early or run his only 2 options.
    Foz seems to be now passing at the line again, also early at times, opening up his running game & his full array of options are again getting the defence indecisive & coming up with many bad reads as he attacks direct at speed.
     
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    Agree with your analysis here TC though maintain his attacking options are mainly on the back of winning the ground war, though as you state correctly, has lifted his game when under the pump also.
    Another thing I have noted with Foz attacking game TC, he was always playing at the line often getting hammered, especially 1 particular game vs Titans (Think it was Tagatese). At times it was Gavin Miller like.
    Since THAT game he started playing early ball or when he ran to the line it was more a show & go himself - that option of passing at the line seemed to go from his game, with a pass early or run his only 2 options.
    Foz seems to be now passing at the line again, also early at times, opening up his running game & his full array of options are again getting the defence indecisive & coming up with many bad reads as he attacks direct at speed.
     
  18. Kevinward777

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    Nice.
     
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    Nice.
     
  20. manlyfan76

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    Foz will next deploy the chip kick and regather and this will add to his attacking options: he can put Matai in a hole created by trex attracting 2-3 defenders. Go direct to trex or inside to choc or snake on the wrap-a-round or chip and chase with the defense moving up to cut down his options. One thing has been constant; he keeps creating.
     

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