1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Football Club response to Sea Eagles request for less than 10 games at Brookie

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Budgewoi Eagle, Aug 11, 2015.

  1. Budgewoi Eagle

    Budgewoi Eagle In for the long haul. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    2,625
    1,432
    Ratings:
    +4,015 / 52
    Apologies if this has been posted.

    Mr Paul Grzanka
    General Manager, Marketing and Consumer
    Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
    Sydney Academy of Sport and Recreation,
    Wakehurst Pkwy, North Narrabeen NSW 2101
    11th August 2015
    Dear Paul,
    I write in reference to the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles Limited (‘the Sea Eagles’) request for
    the Manly-Warringah Rugby League Football Club Limited (‘the Football Club’), as holder of the
    Preference Share, to consider the following as per the document “Match-Day Analysis
    Summary”:
     The consent of the MWRLFC to play less than 10 games at Brookvale Oval from
    2016 onwards;
     The alteration of the Constitutional requirement and Preference Share right to play
    a minimum number of games at Brookvale Oval, and
     Endorsement to pursue the best commercial and on-field outcomes with alternative
    venues.
    The Football Club Board has given very careful consideration to the request and on their behalf
    I provide the following response.
    The Football Club strongly supports the Sea Eagles pursuing the best commercial
    arrangements possible for the existing two home game matches played at alternative venues.
    Whilst not privy to the financial details, we understand there are several lucrative options
    currently “on the table” for future years.
    We are further advised that some of these options involve a multi-year lock in to achieve the
    financial outcome.
    We strongly support and encourage the Sea Eagles to pursue the two most profitable of these
    options, subject to the usual considerations given to the impact on the team and their
    performance.
    The Football Club Board however does not support the request for an alteration to the
    Preference Share right to play a minimum number of games at Brookvale Oval.
    Such a request is unacceptable and will set a precedent to move the Sea Eagles away from
    Brookvale Oval on an increasing basis.
    We acknowledge the challenges and limitations of Brookvale Oval – it is certainly not a new
    issue for the Football Club, nor, we assume, for the owners. That is why we have always
    supported efforts by the Sea Eagles to seek government funding for its improvement.
    We believe these efforts should continue.
    Any signal we are reducing our commitment to the place that has been our home ground since
    1947 will only serve to give government reasons not to provide support.
    We would also be interested to hear how the Sea Eagles are planning to use the existing $10
    million pledged by the Prime Minister towards Brookvale Oval and what actions resulted from
    the joint Sea Eagles/NRL feasibility study.
    We also recall the private owner’s announcement last year of their plans for the complete,
    privately funded redevelopment of Brookvale Oval and would be interested in hearing progress
    on that front.
    Further, we do not give any weight to the argument that taking more games away will help the
    Sea Eagles in their current negotiations with Warringah Council. The exorbitant fee to use the
    ground is not imposed on a per match basis, but rather on a yearly basis. Based on their words
    and actions to date, Council will still claim the upkeep and maintenance costs remain the same and therefore there is nothing to suggest they will reduce the charges for the Sea Eagles
    playing fewer games.
    The Football Club strongly supports the Sea Eagles’ efforts to challenge Warringah Council
    publicly on their fees and charges which are totally out of step with the way other similarly
    placed NRL Clubs are treated by their respective Councils.
    Warringah Council’s lack of support for a long standing community organisation like the Sea
    Eagles is reprehensible.
    Finally, although the Football Club Board does not support the request to alter the Preference
    Share and remove the minimum number of games at Brookvale Oval provision, there is
    certainly provision for any eligible voting member of the Football Club to put forward such a
    change to the Constitution and have the members vote.
    This could be done by way of moving a Special Resolution at the Annual General Meeting in
    accordance with the relevant sections of the Corporations Act (2001) which includes 5% of the
    eligible voting members or 100 members to propose the resolution, and with appropriate
    notice.
    Yours sincerely
    Bob Stevenson
    Chairman
    Manly-Warringah Rugby League Football Club
     
    • Like Like x 12
    • Agree Agree x 7
  2. eadie fan

    eadie fan Member

    36
    16
    Wollstonecraft
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0
    "I write in reference to the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles Limited (‘the Sea Eagles’) request for the Manly-Warringah Rugby League Football Club Limited (‘the Football Club’), as holder of the Preference Share, to consider the following as per the document “Match-Day Analysis Summary”:  The consent of the MWRLFC to play less than 10 games at Brookvale Oval from 2016 onwards;  The alteration of the Constitutional requirement and Preference Share right to play a minimum number of games at Brookvale Oval, and  Endorsement to pursue the best commercial and on-field outcomes with alternative venues. The Football Club Board has given very careful consideration to the request and on their behalf I provide the following response. The Football Club strongly supports the Sea Eagles pursuing the best commercial arrangements possible for the existing two home game matches played at alternative venues. Whilst not privy to the financial details, we understand there are several lucrative options currently “on the table” for future years. We are further advised that some of these options involve a multi-year lock in to achieve the financial outcome. We strongly support and encourage the Sea Eagles to pursue the two most profitable of these options, subject to the usual considerations given to the impact on the team and their performance. The Football Club Board however does not support the request for an alteration to the Preference Share right to play a minimum number of games at Brookvale Oval. Such a request is unacceptable and will set a precedent to move the Sea Eagles away from Brookvale Oval on an increasing basis. We acknowledge the challenges and limitations of Brookvale Oval – it is certainly not a new issue for the Football Club, nor, we assume, for the owners. That is why we have always supported efforts by the Sea Eagles to seek government funding for its improvement. We believe these efforts should continue. Any signal we are reducing our commitment to the place that has been our home ground since 1947 will only serve to give government reasons not to provide support. We would also be interested to hear how the Sea Eagles are planning to use the existing $10 million pledged by the Prime Minister towards Brookvale Oval and what actions resulted from the joint Sea Eagles/NRL feasibility study. We also recall the private owner’s announcement last year of their plans for the complete, privately funded redevelopment of Brookvale Oval and would be interested in hearing progress on that front. Further, we do not give any weight to the argument that taking more games away will help the Sea Eagles in their current negotiations with Warringah Council. The exorbitant fee to use the ground is not imposed on a per match basis, but rather on a yearly basis. Based on their words and actions to date, Council will still claim the upkeep and maintenance costs remain the same and therefore there is nothing to suggest they will reduce the charges for the Sea Eagles playing fewer games. The Football Club strongly supports the Sea Eagles’ efforts to challenge Warringah Council publicly on their fees and charges which are totally out of step with the way other similarly placed NRL Clubs are treated by their respective Councils. Warringah Council’s lack of support for a long standing community organisation like the Sea Eagles is reprehensible. Finally, although the Football Club Board does not support the request to alter the Preference Share and remove the minimum number of games at Brookvale Oval provision, there is certainly provision for any eligible voting member of the Football Club to put forward such a change to the Constitution and have the members vote. This could be done by way of moving a Special Resolution at the Annual General Meeting in accordance with the relevant sections of the Corporations Act (2001) which includes 5% of the eligible voting members or 100 members to propose the resolution, and with appropriate notice. Yours sincerely Bob Stevenson Chairman Manly-Warringah Rugby League Football Club"

    This letter was copied to MWRLFC members a few minutes ago and I apologize for the solid block of words. I copied the text and this is how it was pasted.

    Good on the MWRLFC in standing its ground on this matter and a number of ver good points were made!
     
    • Like Like x 4
  3. eadie fan

    eadie fan Member

    36
    16
    Wollstonecraft
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0
    Sorry Budgewoi Eagle, I posted the same thing at the same time!
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  4. lovefooty

    lovefooty Well-Known Member

    607
    275
    Ratings:
    +460 / 16
    My only question is to us .Can we all as a club and culture at the sea eagles survive the Penn controlled time at our club. ? I hope we can and soon see the back of them before the place as we all have known it is lost forever.
     
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Dummy Spit Dummy Spit x 1
  5. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    8,560
    2,429
    Anywhere but Parramatta
    Ratings:
    +5,345 / 111
    Stay strong Bob and all the board. Don't let the Penns sell us down the river.
     
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Like Like x 1
  6. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    8,560
    2,429
    Anywhere but Parramatta
    Ratings:
    +5,345 / 111
    Timing of the attempt to take games from BROOKIE as our season hangs in the balance. This really is the Charlie sheen movie Wild Thing.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  7. Loobs

    Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

    5,816
    1,930
    Ratings:
    +6,404 / 257
    I don't really agree with this. I think 8 games at Brooky is enough. 2 Gosford, one at Homebush on a big weekend and one bush (Monday nighter).

    Financially it clearly doesn't make sense and with more live games on telly they will lose even more money being forced to use it. These guys blocking also gives the council the upper hand in negotiations so why they released this while the negotitations are still going is beyond me.

    They should be allowed to take a couple of the **** games that are locked in for times that historically draw poor crowds away on a conditional basis. That makes sense but these guys aren't into solutions, just blocking stuff.

    Dislike or troll away...
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 15
    • Dislike Dislike x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    8,560
    2,429
    Anywhere but Parramatta
    Ratings:
    +5,345 / 111
    Hey Loobs some good points.
    Do you have a connection to the Penns? You seem to me ( I haven't read all your posts hence the question) to be rather pro Penn and a bit anti the DRLFC in a few posts. I just trying understand all the forum characters.
    Cheers
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  9. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

    32,370
    3,610
    Amsterdam, The Netherlands
    Ratings:
    +5,463 / 74
    Going to be interesting playing games whilst the ground is being rebuilt
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. damiennp90

    damiennp90 Well-Known Member

    546
    114
    Menai, NSW
    Ratings:
    +327 / 17
    I agree with you loobs. But in the article it says remove them entirely. Not from 10 down to 8
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  11. Wombat64

    Wombat64 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    1,260
    414
    Church Point
    Ratings:
    +1,371 / 37
    One of the most important things you can do to have your say (if you are not already) is to become a member of the Football Club. It doesn't cost much and after a three years you do get to vote on who represents us on the board and in turn where we play, what colours we wear. I joined after Northern Eagles debacle as I never wanted to ever feel again powerless and that I didn't have any say in what happened to the Sea Eagles.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Loobs

    Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

    5,816
    1,930
    Ratings:
    +6,404 / 257
    Haha no I'm just of the opinion that the landscape has changed and the live aspect will lose to TV.

    If we as a club want to expand our fan base and survive then we need to take games out of Brookie. We are too closely associated with a very specific area and it is a double edged sword. Great because of the pride in the club and connection to the beaches but it limits our growth.

    As far as the district club goes, I'm not an out and out hater but they put up this defender of the people facade while offering no solutions.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

    6,217
    1,987
    Ratings:
    +4,632 / 74
    As a member I'd be happy to debate the pros and cons and consider maybe 1 extra game being taken elsewhere. The wording of the above seems to suggest an unspecified number of games for an unspecified number of years, so I support the footy club saying no. However give us the details Sea Eagles Board and we can have an intelligent look at this.

    Another thing to consider is that we are very likely to have a northern beaches regional council by next season, as the State Gov is close to making this happen. The sea eagles board will have a new, bigger council to negotiate with, who will need a regional focus. Potentially a different kettle of fish to the basket case council of warringah. Let's hope this is understood at board level, and that a strategy is in place.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  14. Loobs

    Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

    5,816
    1,930
    Ratings:
    +6,404 / 257
    Yeah I don't agree with that. You need it to be conditional on District Club approval.
     
  15. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

    10,887
    805
    Ratings:
    +1,761 / 72
    We don't want to love the club to death, easy for those to say get rid of Scott Penn but who takes over? Potentially we could be the Perth Sea a Eagles if we go broke or the Penns hand back the license. Then what will you FC do??

    I agree with a lot of the points above, provide some detail and it can be considered.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  16. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    5,748
    1,507
    Ratings:
    +4,243 / 131
    Yes the timing of this is so poor. Why do they want to derail our season again as surely this discussion can wait until the end of the season.

    Penns = NFI
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Dummy Spit Dummy Spit x 1
  17. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    7,288
    2,227
    Mona Vale
    Ratings:
    +4,836 / 103
    We must stick solid behind Bob Stephenson, who is a good man with the same values that the overwhelming majority of us here have. We can't let any more games go from Brookie or else it will be like removing a foundation stone from a wall. Once we weaken control the Penns will chip away until we lose our spiritual home.
    With the proposed new TV deal it's obvious that the NRL cares solely about TV rights and not about fans who actually make the sacrifices to attend matches. It will mean crowds will continue to decline as more eyeballs are fixed on TV screens. So, playing at a stadium any larger than Brookie is irrelevant. . . . unless the NRL likes seeing acres of empty seats.
    Amongst all the back-slapping about the extra money being ploughed into rugby league I can find no mention of the NRL reducing ticket pricing. They are treating us like second-class citizens, yet it won;t take much to lose us.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Dummy Spit Dummy Spit x 1
  18. COMMANDER

    COMMANDER IF YOU DO NOT TRY YOU CAN NOT FAIL 2016 Tipping Competitor

    3,133
    938
    Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
    Ratings:
    +1,740 / 81
    My fear is what would happen in the event of the Penn's going down the gurgler. Australian sport is littered with privately owned clubs that went down when their owners did.
     
  19. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    14,788
    5,735
    Freshwater
    Ratings:
    +11,498 / 254
    If the Franchise goes broke, the NRL take over and try to find another financial partner - like Titans, Tigers, Knights, St George. They have just committed to 8 games per week till 2022 on TV.

    The Warringah Council consultation has been going on for years - Kerry Sbiraa has even presented updates at the FC AGMs.

    It is not the FC that is the problem, nor is it their decision - its is the 75% Members that will vote on this matter should a feasible to Council Plan be actually submitted.

    The DA proposed by the Penns is the stumbling block at the Council, as it would dramatically change the landscape and clog the transit of Brookvale.

    The $20 million available could be used to extend the seating/facilities. It is not enough to build an 8 story multi use commercial/residential building on the site.

    All the proposals are available on the Warringah Council site.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. Loobs

    Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

    5,816
    1,930
    Ratings:
    +6,404 / 257
    Nah we're good so long as we are a country of lard arses looking for the easy way out...
     

Share This Page