bob dylan link said:
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[quote author=bob dylan link=topic=184756.msg286237#msg286237 date=1282357032]
The boat issue is a load of s**t, show some compassion.
And the wastefulness was a fair point, but they punted Rudd because of that.
The only PM that didnt back stab someone was Holts successor McEwen.
That kind of makes all your points mute.
Come up with something original next time.
Plenty of PMs have not stabbed a sitting PM in the back, and none have done so to a first term sitting PM.
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Argh, hanging your hat on the sitting PM. I think we have explained why that happened above.
Here are other PM that stabbed someone in the back.
Rudd stabbed Beasley in the back.
Howard stabbed Downer and Peacock in the back
Keating stabbed Hawke in the back big time.
Hawke stabbed Hayden in the back something dreadful.
It's the nature of the beast.
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And in that list Hawke is the only one who was toppled as PM.
There is clearly a difference, and apparently I am not the only to feel so, look at the QLD results, I think a Kevin effect was clearly evident.
Btw : I don't think this is a good reason to vote Lib, or in fact any of the reasons the Libs gave us. I voted Lib because you just can't trust Labor. They will do whatever they need to do to stay in power, living in NSW has taught me that. And with a Greens controlled senate that means a whole lot of bargained away positions all in the name of staying in power.
Remember this was the PM who had at the top of her notes written "Tonight I am addressing you without notes." No one was upset at her for using notes, what people disliked is the fact that she used notes while telling everyone she was not going to use notes.
The thing that sums it all up for me really is when one of my friends who votes Labor and is quite a tech head what he thought of the internet filter he said "Oh they really arn't serious about that." Yet somehow he believed they were serious about the NBN...
See all Labor sell is hope, great if you can get some one who can deliver, but all it is normally is a lot of money spent and in the end no achievement. Now perhaps Julia is the leader they need to move from simply promising to doing, perhaps she is just another in the line of puppets who say whatever is needed, spend what ever is needed and basically take the approach that staying in power is an end and not the means.
Now to the reason I vote Liberal. In politics there are a lot of decisions to be made, some difficult, some unpopular yet required. I for the life of me couldn't see Labor having the backbone to make the hard calls if they cost votes, thats week leadership. The libs have a record of making those hard calls. Even if you don't agree with them you have to admit the Libs have always been less afraid of looking unpopular, ie. Workchoices and GST. Especially in a hung parliament where wrong headed action is going to be harder anyway this is the kind of leadership that is going to be needed.
The truth is we are in a good position financially, the debt is low and we have no reason to worry, but that is no excuse for making the same mistakes the Europeans made and spending money as if we couldn't spend it tomorrow. Frankly the government should run a balanced budget not because we need to but because if we don't then one day the burden will be on our children. And before you point out that our debt is much lower then Greece, the US or the UK then remember they once had this discussion as well, pointed to others that were worse and said it would be fine.