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Buying 'stars"

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by The Who, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    Mona Vale
    +4,718 / 96
    When you look through our top team you'll only see one player we bought as an established star - Jamie Lyon. Joe G was established but regarded by other clubs as over-the-hill. The rest of the team are either Manly juniors or have been nurtured from youngsters into the stars they are - stars that other clubs want to buy for their 'instant gratification'.
    It is a credit to the Manly system that we can continue to develop nascent talent into top players, and is a major reason for our continued success.

    But other clubs, such as Easts, Parra, Souths and Canterbury are always seeking to buy a premiership, splashing out big money on stars, most of who fail to live up to their reputation.

    When fans/bookies/commentators try to predict the success of a club pre-season they invariably look at the 'stars' they have gained or lost. Little wonder most commentators write Manly off because we so rarely buy any player they know about. Yet they invariably wrongly inflate the chances of teams that have bought players who have had success at other clubs.

    I'm sure we have another crop of talented unknown youngsters now being shown the Manly way who will develop into stars and be the envy of the big-spending poachers. And isn't it a much better way!
  2. Craigm

    Craigm New Member

    +2 / 0
    Brent Kite
    Tony Williams
  3. arty

    arty Active Member

    +31 / 0
    Ben Kennedy
    Lyon has been our most important current signing,,,inspirational team player with outstandingly balanced offensive and defensive skills and representative and international experience. A CV cannot get any better than this in Rugby League...
  4. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +5,601 / 45
    I think The Who made some excellent points.

    I wouldn't regard Tony Williams as a star when we signed him. Although he had some impressive performances and was generating a bit of hype he was only just becoming a regular first grader.

    Other than Lyon you have to go back to Kite and Kennedy in 2005 for our last star signings.

    Clubs like Souths and the Bulldogs sign stars every year and that is in my view one of the reasons that those clubs struggle to succeed.
  5. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +8,870 / 99
    Josh Perry.
  6. quinny

    quinny Member

    +20 / 0
    Great Post!!![hr]
    Josh Perry-career was on the slide
    Kite-was handy-very promising
    Kennedy was at the back end deal wise
    Tony Wiiliams was a big log with promise

    The Who is dead right-Manly have had a completely different mindset to signing players. We generally sign up and coming talent and incentive deals to player's who are on the downgrade. Great work buy our front office.IMO :)
  7. arty

    arty Active Member

    +31 / 0
    Moneyball preceding "Moneyball"..?
  8. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    Mona Vale
    +4,718 / 96
    I admit I forgot Brent Kite in my original post. He was an established player with Illawarra. My oversight.
    But T-Rex was not a 'star' and it even took our methods two years to unlock the secrets to making him one.
    In the past we've bought BK, Perry and Orford, but our recruitment in recent seasons has concentrated on potential, and I think this is a good policy.
  9. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

    +456 / 4
    Steve Bell was another established player, but all in all most of our stars have been developed on a local level.
  10. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

    +5,704 / 264
    Teams who produce their own, and nurture their juniors:-

    1. Tend to stay under the cap much easier;
    2. Tend to have better chemistry;
    3. Win competitions.

    I'll take our system over acquiring stars any day of the week. I'd only make a splash in the open market if we have a glaring hole in a certain position.
  11. Supernintendo Chalmers

    Supernintendo Chalmers Well-Known Member

    +394 / 4
    agree completely with Ryan.
    although loyalty has gone out the window in this day and age, i still think a junior who's done the hard yards to work through the ranks of a club and make it to the top forming great mateships along the way is the best way to get that winning chemistry rather than trying to fill a team with big names who may not gel until it's too late. It's being proven right now at the club, and let's hope it stays that way, and this IC starts looking at ways to allow loyalty to work it's way back into the game so we see many more one club players.
  12. the mauler

    the mauler Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +1,640 / 25
    Agree with thread, but geez we gave the old "buy the stars" a fair old nudge over the years.

    Have obviously gone away from that in the last decade or so, and have enjoyed the same success if not more. Definately on the right track now and are the envy of most teams in NRL.
  13. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

    +494 / 0
    We'll be right for the next few seasons. When some of the current crop a) move on or b) retire that's when it's time for concern.

    Would love to see something like some of the English clubs have set up a fan sponsorship ie Hull KR fans recently sponsored Mickey Paea and will be sending there academy squad to Australia, the Rhinos got a guy and have had since the academy and will be playing SL this year.

    It's got me wondering if we could get some money together for say Dylan Kelly or one of the kiwi guys it makes it hard for them to go to another team when supporters hard earned helped them through the grades
  14. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Gold Coast
    +3,720 / 55
    The reason we have such talented youngsters and established home grown stars is because of the recruiting/coaching team we had. This is my biggest worry now we have lost that very successful team.
  15. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +6,619 / 118
    We've lost part of it. It may be that Des & Crusher were not yet past their use-by dates at Manly, but one day they would have been.

    Generational change is crucial in revitalising every organisation, and I am pleased with the new people we have put in the key coaching & recruitment roles.

    The joint now has the distinct feel of freshness, with talented and ambitious newcomers determined to seize their golden opportunity. I see no reason our development policy will change or be any less successful.
  16. Brissie Kid

    Brissie Kid Well-Known Member

    +812 / 10
    Matt Orford and Steve Bell were major signings of established stars that helped build the 2007 & 08 Manly success.
  17. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

    +83 / 0
    Crush and Dazler are awesome coaches & recruiters. Shame they are now a-holes.
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  18. quinny

    quinny Member

    +20 / 0
    Our model of recruitment from 2004 was born out of necessity-we didn't have the money to splash like other clubs. We had to be very frugal and calculating....enter Des (and others in the front office)
    We have done remarkably well, and shown the way to other more affluent establishments. There was a lot more business acumen applied to our strategies for recruitment and retention...BASED on $$$
    We are in good shape-I hope we stay that way. A crack can turn into an abyss very very quickly in pro sport.
  19. Bradza

    Bradza Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +479 / 6
    Exactly right, it wasn't a choice it was a necessity.

    ...just ask Nathan Hindmarsh!:D
  20. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

    +4,345 / 36
    Agree Quinny. People i talk with are very quick to brush the fact we were doing it very hard not so long ago. It was a hard time financially, but as with most things, it steeled us and created the entity we are today. I wonder if we would have signed Des in the first place if we were rolling in cash back then?

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