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Burnsy and Groomy

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by willstyles, Jun 7, 2008.

  1. willstyles

    willstyles Active Member

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    Both showed why we let them go tonight.

    Burns: I loved the bloke when he was at Manly. He's all heart and you had to respect him on the field, but he has so few attacking weapons and he gives away loads of penalties/gets suspended. He'll be on the sidelines for a few weeks now. Manly are better off without him.

    Groomy: Everyone wanted him to make good and get to first grade, but the club knew he couldn't tackle. Whatever he adds in attack, it isn't enough to cover up his defensive problems. The turning point in tonight's game was Sau's second try - and it all came about because Groomy missed a routine tackle on Wes Naiqama. Wes is a big fella but it was all too easy for him.

    On the flipside, Bailey was excellent again and Tony Williams looks to be a great purchase as well.
     
  2. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    I've said it before that we rarely cry tears two years after we've let a player go.  Burns has been diabolical all season and it's debatable he'll see much more first grade this year.

    How was that Williams run where he swatted off 5 Raiders?
     
  3. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    travis didn't have a nickname of "Time bomb" for nothing  ::) ;D

    His only attacking weapon that little right foot jink a sign goes up above his head that says when he is about to do it  :D He never had any attcking or kicking game, hot headness only gets u so far, look at mattai!!

    I used to write loads about groom, junior legend but if you cannot tackle you will only go so far, will end up in england soon I'd say with kimmorley, ben barba around
     
  4. Corso_Pete

    Corso_Pete Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Did we let Burns go? It was reported at the time that we had offered him a deal but the Cowboys offered more and he followed the money.

    Having said that if Burns had stayed he would have offered us an alternative at 5/8 that we don't presently have.
     
  5. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I always thought Burns was our most over-rated player by a mile, i wasn't too concerned at all when we let him go.

    I haven't seen enough of Groom to really judge him, but for the people that have, do you think we are better off having Foran/Cherry-Evans here than if we had Groom ?
     
  6. willstyles

    willstyles Active Member

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    Ben Barba has the same problem though. Refuses to tackle. Otherwise he would've played first grade this year.

    We absolutely let Burnsy go. Offered him less money and told him that Killer would be the first choice #6. He hardly had a choice...

    And as for Cherry-Evans/Foran over Groomy...it's too early to tell. Like Darren said, Groom was great in the lower grades. There is a huge jump to first grade. Hopefully at least one of them can make it.
     
  7. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Travis who ?? He was just the finger in the dyke at 5/8, plugged a hole admirably but really offered nothing else.

    Groom is only young and defensive issues can be worked on. Preston Campbell was supposed to be a defensive liability, but he has made a pretty solid NRL career for himself. Let's see what develops given time. He might learn a thing or two from The Gimp next year.
     
  8. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Watched both games and thought the same as willstyles.  Better of without them, although I had a soft spot for Travis.  All heart, but poor technique.
     
  9. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Burns showed a lot of ticker at Manly. However he was a bit of a time bomb off the field and that was also an issue.
     
  10. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    daly cherry evans is a orford protype half back, but he has awesome defensive skills!! in 1 game I saw him yell at the boys and went out and smacked 3 forwards in a row!! He is a tough boy, has a great kicking game, can put guys in the gap etc, I really like the look of him, he reminds me of a tim smith (without the problems) real in your face halfback, he definitely controls a match

    Foran is entirely different, he is only 17 I think, he has all the skills and step, speed etc, nice kicking game, good defence for his age, he is more a lockyer type player, very attacking skills

    Groom was a preston all the time, his defence is being shown up quite harshly
     
  11. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Just seen the Travis Burns incidents from last night I reckon he will get 10 weeks minimum
     
  12. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

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    Burns had some good games for us and his defense and leg-high tackling style was very good. However he keeps displaying that hothead streak he had with us and was the principle reason we were not concerned when he wanted to go. He always wanted to head back to Qld. Watching those incidents yesterday I agree he will go for a long time.
     
  13. Andrew..

    Andrew.. Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    To my knowledge Burns wanted to stay and we actually offered him an increase but he wanted a guaranteed crack at the number 6 and at that time Lyon wanted the spot. The Cowboys signed Burns when he was in hospital with Pneumonia and I would say by the way he is playing nowadays he has regretted that poor decision ever since.
     
  14. willstyles

    willstyles Active Member

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    Maybe I wasn't entirely clear. We didn't offer him less money than he was on at the time, but we offered him less than the Cowboys offered. And the Cowboys said he would be first choice #6 beside Thurston whereas the best Manly could give him was the possibility of a bench role (even that wouldn't have been assured after the signing of L'Estrange, who has been great).
     
  15. Garts

    Garts Well-Known Member

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    Cherry Evans was outstanding in the 20 minutes I saw of him today!!!
     
  16. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Sounds like a name rabbits would just love to call out in TV commentary.
     

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