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Benefit of the doubt.

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Stevo, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    Just a question to discuss. This one has bugged me for a long time.

    Why does the benefit of doubt go to the attacking team? Do we say "well that's close enough, we'll just give it"?

    Shouldn't it only be a try if you can prove a try has been scored?

    Shouldn't it be assumed that the try has been saved by the defending team if there is no proof of a try has been scored.

    It's either a try or it's not.
     
  2. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    chicken and egg really.

    your point is valid, as is the other side of the coin.
     
  3. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    I don't see it that way at all Fro. How can you award a try you can't prove has occoured?
     
  4. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that situation should be considered a "draw". Both teams get 2 points each and no kick for goal.
    It's a stupid rule. I guess if there was any possibility at all that the ball touched a single blade of grass they go with a try. I'd like to see the rule changed to a play the ball maybe 5 meters out, even if it was the 6th tackle.
     
  5. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    because they want to see points scored, not denied.

    didn't it used to be benefit to the defending team?

    in cricket, there is no rule giving benefit of the doubt to the batsman.. And yet ......
     
  6. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It's simple really, 15 teams Benefit of the doubt against Manly. Whereas Manly, there's no doubt, its no try.
     
  7. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I don't know Fro, it's six of one , half a dozen of the other. But at the end of the day it's all swings and roundabouts.

    From memory they made a conscious decision when they bought in the "benefit of the doubt" rule that it would favour the attacking team. Just like the benefit of the doubt always favours the batsman in cricket.
     
  8. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    As i said I see your point.

    Conversely the question could be phrased "how can you disallow a try you can't prove WASN'T scored"

    As someone said scoring is what they want to see.
     
  9. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    That was ME. I JUST SAID THAT!!

    "someone". Good grief!
     
  10. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    I always liked your hat better :)

    And the benefit of the doubt in cricket goes to the batsman because he only has one "life", once he is out he is out, whereas the bowler gets more chances to get that "life"

    Doesn't really follow for tries.
     
  11. Normie

    Normie Well-Known Member

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    It always seems to me that the video ref is always looking at how NOT to award the try to Manly........
     
  12. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    But the batsmen is a defender defending his wicket. They only give batsmen out if he's out, not if "it's close enough". Not the same at all really.

    Because the whole point of the game is to score trys. "Not to nearly" score trys.
     
  13. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    You were right, this has obviously bugged you for a long time :)

    And i didn't realise that "discuss" actually meant agree with you or else you are wrong lol.
     
  14. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    I'm discussing - forcefully!
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    It's called passion! lol
     
  15. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    hehe fair enough.

    I'm just trawling my memory to think of a try Paul had disallowed or one allowed when he was defending or something :)
     
  16. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    boooo!

    I say no benefit of the doubt allowed.

    Toss a coin instead.

    No flaws to this.

    Plus e for effort, a for achievement.
     
  17. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    someone said some garbage about tossing a coin....
     
  18. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    Get a room you two!

    Can't remember. He had a ripper disallowed against Melbourne years ago where the ball had bounced over the sideline and he kicked it back in and ran around the corner post and scored. It used to be on bigpond video on the NRL site but i'm not sure it goes back that far now. If any one could find a copy of that i would be stoked!!
     
  19. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    and all the noobs are going "who's Paul" :)

    I vaguely remember the one.

    hell I can remember him scoring a couple years ago against (i think) the Cowboys
     
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    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    Scored 3 against the Dragons that day we pumped them in the first half and they came back and beat us. Most of the dragons supporters left at half time and missed it. I'll never forget the streams of white and red pouring out of the ground only to miss the comeback.
     

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