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Why Toovey should replace Hasler 'Immediatly'

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by fLIP, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. fLIP

    fLIP UFO Hunter

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    I'm a long time poster on this message board and one thing Ive learned over my time here is that we as football fans never achieve a thing when we emotionally attach ourselves to the many issues our clubs been through over the last decade. As hard as it may seem, taking a step back from our love of the club and thinking about the facts at hand results in far more leveled debate and reduced infighting and hotheadedness that's been carrying on since our grand final win was turned into one hell of a surreal week.

    So Ive decided over the last few days to steer clear of the forum, steer clear of emotion and news papers and have a good hard think about just what the club should do with our coaching from next season onwards. Below are a few points I find are absolutely crucial when the club decides exactly what to do about Des. Needless to say, I believe the very best option for our club is to install a new head coach ASAP. Who is still very much up for debate but the purpose of this post I will gladly throw my hat int he ring for Toovey. Its his time.


    PLAYER EXODUS: One of the big concerns I've read over the course of tonight is that with Des' impending exodus, just how many of our players will follow suit? With all the talk of get out clauses and player unrest you have to stop to wonder, at what point do we all honestly think Des sticking around for another 24 games is going to keep these players from leaving the club? Would it not be good to get the inevitable out of the way ASAP and begin the inevitable 'post-Des' rebuild of our club while we still have the strong player base in the form of the Stewarts, Foran, C-Evans, Lyon, Kite, Kingy and co. Next year under Des is one less season we have to rebuild with the aforementioned players still at the club. Have we forgotten to quickly just how much influence club greats have on maintaining a culture. You only have to think back to beaver to see how much his being part of the club influences the young kids and players coming through.

    PLAYER POACHING: This one might be a point of conjecture among fans and as a very real possibility needs to be considered. I don't claim to know Des and though some here find him as a man of high integrity, not a single one of us here can doubt that Des has left the club not because of his rapport with the players, not because of a weak squad or a bigger paycheck. He left because of the one thing you cant take to another club; the board. To think that he would object to luring several of our players to the Bulldogs club would be ignorant at the least. Given he is not leaving for any other reason than his inability to work with the board, why would he not try to lure his hard work on these fine players. He isn't going to leave them at Manly because its the right thing to do, the right thing is to stay as coach. Do we need any more evidence that Des is capable of dismantling our side and directing them towards his new allegiance after ALREADY taking our coaching staff????

    COMMITMENT: My next point is job commitment, probably our biggest immediate threat from Des having signed with a new club. Are we going to get 100% commitment from him next season. Will we learn anything from the Dragons this season under arguably the greatest coach of the modern era? Disruptions are inevitable. Don't be fooled, the Bulldogs are not going to be leaving their 2013 structure up to Jim Dymock, they don't want to wait until 2013 to have Des begin putting things in place, they are a club out to buy success and buy it quickly. They want the job molded to Des as soon as he arrives and that means consulting him as much as humanly possible on all facets of coaching from NOW! Not October 3rd 2012, he's probably already involved in their structures as we speak.

    MOTIVATION: Leading on from my last point I want to continue on with the commitment topic but have a little look closer to home. How much effort will be put into our development as a club by a man who has no vested interest in its future. From this point on, what motivation gives Des reason to sign up the next big up and comer or debut a player in first grade, make a signing or heavily pursue a target from another club??? I don't think i need to explain this one any further.

    SUCCESSION:Its often human nature to at first emotionally attach ourselves to negatives. But flip our situation on its head. How many times does a first grade coach sign for another club after grand final success. How often does a coach (toovey) have a chance to debut with a team that has no less than 14 grand final players and just one without finals experience. Ask yourself this, when would you rather take over coaching our club. After a 50% committed Hasler walks out having had 12 months to lure club players and continue his now public feud with the clubs board?

    TIMING: Lastly I want to take a look at Des decision to announce and make his decision so soon after the Grand Final win and a full 12 months before his contract is up. This is totally up for debate but no matter how I read it, Des wants to leave the club now and be in his new club for 2012. Forget about what is said in the papers or by Penn and other club members, Des makes it perfectly clear in his own media statement; his coaching position is untenable but he will see out his tenure. Here we are, with a man who has a 100% track record of never announcing signings. He knows the importance the media plays in getting what you need and yet here he is, playing to the media one year in advance, announcing his first ever signing.... for another club. Not exactly "under the radar" is it?

    For me, at least, the question of what to do with the coaching roll is a no brainer. A new head coach needs to be appointed as soon as possible. Let Des leave the club, I have the utmost respect for the man and what he has achieved for our club. I have no doubt he played little part in forcing his hand, however, he gave up on our club Wednesday morning when he signed for the Bulldogs. What makes us think keeping him for another season will be the best option, lets move on NOW, Des has.
     
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    • Berkeley_Eagle

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      Some Manly Sea Eagles directors pushing for Geoff Toovey to immediately replace coach Des Hasler

      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/some-manly-sea-eagles-directors-pushing-for-geoff-toovey-to-immediately-replace-coach-des-hasler/story-e6frexnr-1226162530544


      THE Battle of Brookvale is set to rage again this week with a fiery Manly board meeting to be held in coming days - and a push to immediately appoint Geoff Toovey as coach atop the agenda.

      As the fallout from Des Hasler's stunning defection to the Bulldogs from 2013 continues, it can be revealed that some directors are seriously considering a move to bring in Toovey for next season.

      Hasler has another year to run on his present deal and he is adamant he can coach his side to back-to-back premierships despite signing with the Bulldogs for four seasons.

      But there is a belief amongst some board members that the Sea Eagles should limit the damage that has been done by handing Toovey the keys to first grade immediately.

      There is deep concern about the affect the Hasler move is having on the club financially, given it has been prompted by a fallout between the coach and several powerbrokers - namely leagues club boss Bob Reilly and chief operating officer David Perry.

      Sea Eagles chairman Scott Penn was tightlipped when pressed on the coaching position last night.

      "It's important that we get consensus at board level on the coach," Penn said.

      "We need to identify a successor and Toovs is definitely in the frame. Promoting from within is something the club has done in the past.
       
    • robbiea

      robbiea Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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      I will stick by Des ,if he is up for next year ,I still have faith in him..
      Punt him now & the door is closed forever. He is still young enough to come back after his "CHALLENGE" of four years.
      He pulled the pin because he got sick to death from working with a bunch of carnts..I can't blame him on that..
       
    • Berkeley_Eagle

      Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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      this board has already stuffed up so many times, A EGM is required, this board punted New board installed and then decisions can be made, it is the off season now anyway
       
    • fLIP

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      No doubt that the board needs replacing, but this is a separate issue of its own. I see no benefit of keeping hasler in charge in 2012, outside those players with get out clauses being unable to activate them. We'll only be delaying the inevitable anyhow.
       
    • Cameron

      Cameron Cambo Premium Member

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      nice well thought out post flip but i disagree

      Des is the ultimate professional

      we **** this board off and you watch him go out with another premiership.

      It will be his players against the world doing it for him.
       
    • Berkeley_Eagle

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      Manly to hold board meeting tonight on coaching future. Expect Geoff Toovey to be appointed for 2013. #nrl #gomanly
       
    • Cameron

      Cameron Cambo Premium Member

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      oops i thought it read 2012

      Love tooves and want him to take over from des.

      Just dont want these morons to sack des before 2013
       
    • Earnie the Eagle

      Earnie the Eagle Well-Known Member

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      Had to happen, thanks for the heads up, any chance that Cliff Lyons and Steve Menzies will be part of the new dynasty? We need to move forward, and quickly....
       
    • Ceagle

      Ceagle Well-Known Member

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      Yep, both Cliffy and Menzies are expected to be on the coaching staff for 2013.
       
    • Noosa girl

      Noosa girl New Member

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      Totally agree with you Cambo - keep Des 2012 and punt off this s..t board and then Toovey for 2013. Just hope they only vote on Toovey for 2013 tonight and not to punt Des for 2012. I think they will be lynched if they do. Even though some people say he should go now he IS the ultimate professional and will do the job well for us next year. If he goes we may also lose crusher,etc for next year as well.
       
    • Manly To Win!

      Manly To Win! Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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      Punt Des and in no way consider taking Zorba back. This club seriously needs to start afresh and move on and quit living in the past because this crap has been happening for far too long. I have been disgusted with various people officially involved in this club far too often this year - you can't blame Gallop and our board for EVERYTHING.

      If I wasn't a diehard fan, I would seriously consider not bothering to renew my season ticket next year.
       
    • weev

      weev Well-Known Member

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      I would like to think Des could do it but honestly, his heart has left the building.

      When you quit a company to go to a competitor it is best for all parties to move as soon as possible.

      Let Des eat the cake he baked. Not that I blame him. It's obviously the board, a bunch of unknowns who want to be kings setting KPI for their middle managers, i.e., coaches, to hide the lack of talent and passion in their own souls!

      Bring on Toovie. Sack the board. Be the premiers!
       
    • Pittwater Legend

      Pittwater Legend Well-Known Member

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      There's no way in hell Des should be punted before 2013.

      He'll do a fine job next season and we should be able to cherish his final year in charge.
       

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