Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!

Turbo

NYEagle

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 11, 2008
Messages
2,132
Ha, it's a difference of opinion, and that is what the forum is all about.

See, I see myself as a realist, as someone who sees a players value decided by the market. Overs and unders is determined buy the market.

If you want yop quality players you need to pay.

I will not be providing friendlier numbers because I am man enough to say I dont know the players contracts nor how they are structured. front loaded, backloaded, bonuses, allowances yada yada yada.

Look we disagree so no point us firing back and forth but I'll finish with some straightforward questions.

Were you happy when DCE backflipped and when Turbo and Jake re-signed?

Simple as that, where you happy at that time or were you like. dammit, wish DCE stuck by the Titans.
When the boys rejected more money at the dogs were you pissed that we paid as much as we did and hoped they had headed to Belmore?

Because everything is easy in hindsight but the only true relection of what you thought of the deal is your response when it happened.

I for one was delighted in both instances!!
On the face of it, yeah, you make some great points.

I wonder what Melbourne do. They seem to always have a "big three" or spine yet week after week, even with them out, deliver.

It could come down to the types of players they bring in as anchors, and the way the supporting roles are viewed.

I'll always support Manly until the end of time, hence my frustration. It's not like Manly made any bad decisions. It's just not working out.

NYEagle
 

nightster

Well worn member
Premium Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2016
Messages
4,693
Ha, it's a difference of opinion, and that is what the forum is all about.

See, I see myself as a realist, as someone who sees a players value decided by the market. Overs and unders is determined buy the market.

If you want yop quality players you need to pay.

I will not be providing friendlier numbers because I am man enough to say I dont know the players contracts nor how they are structured. front loaded, backloaded, bonuses, allowances yada yada yada.

Look we disagree so no point us firing back and forth but I'll finish with some straightforward questions.

Were you happy when DCE backflipped and when Turbo and Jake re-signed?

Simple as that, where you happy at that time or were you like. dammit, wish DCE stuck by the Titans.
When the boys rejected more money at the dogs were you pissed that we paid as much as we did and hoped they had headed to Belmore?

Because everything is easy in hindsight but the only true relection of what you thought of the deal is your response when it happened.

I for one was delighted in both instances!!...
Can I say, No I was not happy when DCE backflipped for that ridiculous contract (I don't blame him for doing it though) ... I was happy when the twin turbos re-signed ... I would have been happy to have gotten DCE for 2/3 years on less money
 

Disco

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2004
Messages
3,385
Can I say, No I was not happy when DCE backflipped for that ridiculous contract (I don't blame him for doing it though) ... I was happy when the twin turbos re-signed ... I would have been happy to have gotten DCE for 2/3 years on less money
I mean I was annoyed we stuffed up by pursuing Foran then having to overpay.

But when I heard the news I was delighted. He was a young premiership winning half that looked like he'd dominate the NRL for the next ten years.

Didnt quiet play out exactly like that despite him being very good
 

Shane4500

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2018
Messages
213
Don't you really mean, only post something you agree with?

Maybe they are not "panic merchants and doomsayers", maybe they are just being realistic. Ya think?

We will see... nothing surer. I've got my money on the realists against the dreamers any day.
Nothing to do with agreeing - to do with the facts and intelligence behind the argument. I will again ask if you are one of the realists wanting to sell these three - who are you selling to? What portion are we paying and who are you buying? Do you also not see that injuries have cruelled us and that Des after last year's magic efforts was pretty much tied to those players because of those performances and salary cap restrictions. Oh my now we have a Graham clone comment from someone - bahahahahaha. That will do me!
 

40 years an eagle

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2017
Messages
3,351
Nothing to do with agreeing - to do with the facts and intelligence behind the argument. I will again ask if you are one of the realists wanting to sell these three - who are you selling to? What portion are we paying and who are you buying? Do you also not see that injuries have cruelled us and that Des after last year's magic efforts was pretty much tied to those players because of those performances and salary cap restrictions. Oh my now we have a Graham clone comment from someone - bahahahahaha. That will do me!
Facts and intelligence? Good grief, why din't you throw in common sense? My ONLY point in all these discussions about DCE, Tom and Jake has been that they take up FAR too much of our budget, not about moving them on.

The only solution I can see is finding the 1-2M needed to make their huge expenses viable. Done.
 

Shane4500

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2018
Messages
213
well sorry they are the cards we have - they wont take a paycut and there aint no magic $2million lying on the Manly foreshore. I agree that they made a mistake with DCE's contract - way too long and too much with the increase each year based on salary cap. But again that is how it is - unless there are better replacements at a cheaper price who want to come to Manly and we dont pay a chunk of their contract then we need to work with those contracts. There is no magic bullet. Des and Crusher need to find the real value at the bottom end and we need to start bringing in the young guys and blooding them. As I said I am sure the roster will get a shakeup this offseason.
 

40 years an eagle

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2017
Messages
3,351
well sorry they are the cards we have -
So the people making these decisions are doing a poor job of balancing our finances and we have to suffer them.
Totally agree.

I hope now everyone understands and will now stop all the ridiculous "let's buy" threads. As if.
 

Shane4500

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2018
Messages
213
So the people making these decisions are doing a poor job of balancing our finances and we have to suffer them.
Totally agree.

I hope now everyone understands and will now stop all the ridiculous "let's buy" threads. As if.
I don't disagree there - with DCE they did do a very poor job
 

Sheikheagle

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 17, 2010
Messages
2,826
I doubt even havingTom every week is enough with the new rules buddy. We are turning up at a wagyu market trying to peddle 3 wagyu steers and a bunch of cows. @:D
To a certain extent I agree however I reckon we would have won 2-3 more games with Tom playing. I also feel that Des would have been more willing to blood hoppa on the wing if Tom was there.
 

susan

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2010
Messages
3,273
Oh I totally agree Disco! What are some of these people on this site on? They must be doing drugs or are on the drink or simply have marbles for brains. Has DCE played up to the standard we need over the last few weeks - no he hasn't. Is Turbo injured a lot - yes he is. Are they still two of the best players in the comp - yes they are and hopefully Turbo gets healthy. To say get rid of them and Jake - the very best forward in the game, the player every other player in the comp would want to play with is simply a joke. Would we have ditched Igor back in the day? Not a hope in hell. Jake is just as important to Manly as Randall was in the 70's/early 80's. Jake would be first picked in every other team... because clubs build culture and winning culture around players like Jake. Who are you people replacing them with if we sell them? Which fabulous and really cheap players are running around that we would grab to make us better? Also do you expect we can get good quality players and pay for them and yet still be paying a significant part of our former players contract money while they play for someone else after we ship them out? We would also certainly be less attractive to quality players if our quality players are gone! Then I read posts that Taupau is over rated, Parker should be a backrower or he is too slow, Des can't coach etc etc. I read this stuff and shake my head at that absolute folly of the argument but I keep quiet. Well today reading this garbage that we need to sell three of our best players - well that will do me. DCE has to step up absolutely - Turbo hopefully will get healthy - hopefully we will get some troops back soon. Our defence has been our problem - a lack of shoulders hitting bodies and a lack of talk in defence. The jersey grabbing has been poor - the changes in personnel and the lack of cohesion and talk in defence though has contributed massively to our problems but that is just an attitude issue - not a skill issue - it can and will be fixed. But for those wanting to sell our best players, have players playing in new positions, making wholesale changes, sacking the coach - you people seriously have got no idea. There will be changes in personnel at the end of this year. Dont forget Des is still working primarily with Barrett's roster. The roster Barrett failed with but Des has succeeded with and without all the injuries he would be succeeding again. But there will be player movement this off season and there will be new faces at Manly. Give Des a chance to build depth in the roster. He has been working essentially with Barrett's roster. We do need to blood one or two more youngsters and that will happen. Hopoate is not far away and young Schuster will get blooded. Paseka is growing into his role and Avocado last week looked like he is a player of the future. We just need to get some luck - pick up a couple of wins over the next few weeks, Turbo hopefully is healthy, DCE responds, AFB returns, no more injuries and we start hitting in defence and having a defensiveline that gets off the line much quicker than they have and we will be still right in the mix. You doomsdayers and panic merchants need to give yourselves an uppercut, take a Bex and come back after a lie down and repeat after me... I will only post something when I have something sensible to contribute. Arghhhh!
Agree totally re getting rid of our best players.

That is total madness but it is just as much madness to suggest the plodding team we are rolling out for the next three weeks will “ be in the mix “.
“Winning a couple of games over the next few weeks “ will in fact get us nowhere. They need to be perfect.We are two wins out of the eight now, probably 3 Sunday.

We lose on Sunday and Sharks Mixos win as expected and it’s game over for the season.

That’s the reality of where we are right now. We are a snowflakes chance in hell of making the eight if we lose Sunday... and with the Storm coming up not much more of a chance even if we do. AFB Tom Walker are three weeks away.

This is not a 26 round comp. Six rounds to go after this week.Lose on Sunday and we are cooked.And I’m sure they know that so some fight is needed.
 
Last edited:

mickqld

Sea Eagle forever
Joined
Sep 13, 2004
Messages
10,123
Agree totally re getting rid of our best players.

That is total madness but it is just as much madness to suggest the plodding team we are rolling out for the next three weeks will “ be in the mix “.
“Winning a couple of games over the next few weeks “ will in fact get us nowhere. They need to be perfect.We are two wins out of the eight now, probably 3 Sunday.

We lose on Sunday and Sharks Mixos win as expected and it’s game over for the season.

That’s the reality of where we are right now. We are a snowflakes chance in hell of making the eight if we lose Sunday... and with the Storm coming up not much more of a chance even if we do. AFB Tom Walker are three weeks away.

This is not a 26 round comp. Six rounds to go after this week.Lose on Sunday and we are cooked.
We've been cooked since Tom and Walker went down , no decent no.9 and AFB decided to lose his sh*t. Everyone knows we're just making up the numbers now. Attack our flanks and tries will flow. Wonder how Des will explain another 30+ hiding this weekend while this place burns to the ground.
 

davohan123

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2009
Messages
4,361
In 3 weeks we will be saying - Too late Tommy!

NYEagle
Would not suprise me round in last 3 rounds or so we just have one of those matches with close to a full strength squad and we go and have a big win by 30.

it will be our our “ what could of been in 2020 reminder” plus as you say too little too late.
 

Leho

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Joined
Jan 18, 2013
Messages
325
NRL 2020: Manly superstar Tom Trbojevic unwilling to name return date after third hamstring injury in 18 months
Sea Eagles fans shouldn’t expect the cavalry arriving any time soon. With their season hanging in the balance, superstar fullback Tom Trbojevic has bad news on his return from injury.
Fatima Kdouh, The Daily Telegraph
Subscriber only
|
August 22, 2020 6:00am


FOXSPORTS1:12
War of words: Arthur comments prompt Bellamy walkout
NRL: A frustrated Craig Bellamy walked out of his press conference upon hearing Eels coach Brad Arthur refuted his players had deliberately staye...

With their season on the line, it’s the news Manly fans didn’t want to hear – star fullback Tom Trbojevic is unable to put a definite date on his return from a troublesome hamstring injury.
Trbojevic was slated to make a comeback in round 17 after injuring his left hamstring for the third time in 18 months playing against Canberra in round six.
But the 23-year old told News Corp Australia he could be at least three weeks away from taking the field and won’t risk returning before he is ready both physically and mentally.

Kayo is your ticket to the 2020 NRL Telstra Premiership. Every game of every round Live & On-Demand with no-ad breaks during play. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >
Manly's Tom Trbojevic injures his hamstring against Canberra in round six.
Manly's Tom Trbojevic injures his hamstring against Canberra in round six.
NRL NEWS

Lavish parties, savage sprays: Boyd opens up on Knights nightmare

Was this the biggest hit in NRL history?



FROM OUR PARTNERS

Razor sharp analysis from Australia’s leading political insider. Watch Peta Credlin 6pm Weeknights, on Sky News. For more.

Human face of why NRL must ban crusher tackles
“I couldn’t put a time frame on it, it might be three weeks, I couldn’t honestly say. We are going day by day at the moment,” the Kayo ambassador said.
“It’s been a bit slower than I have liked, I’m feeling better and hopefully I’m back in a few weeks. Obviously you have to tick some boxes in recovery and I thought I would be able to tick them quicker but that hasn’t been the case.”
Frustratingly for Trbojevic, Saturday night’s round 15 clash against South Sydney at ANZ Stadium brings with it a sense of unwanted deja vu.
A pec injury forced the fullback to watch from the sidelines as the Rabbitohs buried Manly’s title ambitions in last year’s semi-finals.
Trbojevic faces a similar predicament on Saturday night with a loss all-but ending the finals chances of the Sea Eagles, who sit on 12 competition points in 10th place on the ladder.
“It was pretty hard watching that finals game, I’m a footy player, it’s what I want to do. It’s hard to put it into words, you want to be out there and feel like you aren’t helping from the sidelines,” he said.
Trbojevic has again been forced to watch Manly fight for their season from the sidelines.
Trbojevic has again been forced to watch Manly fight for their season from the sidelines.
A win for Manly against the eighth-placed Rabbitohs would narrow the margin to just two competition points between eighth and ninth place – effectively keeping the 2020 finals race alive.
It’s a rare proposition that will have NRL fans cheering the Sea Eagles alongside Trbojevic.
In the TAB’s NRL futures markets, the Sea Eagles are $3.50 for making the top eight but are at much shorter odds at $1.27 for failing to make this year’s finals series.
Before going down 26-24 to Newcastle in round 14, the northern beaches club were $41 to win the NRL premiership but have now drifted out to $67.
Even the support of the NRL fandom might not be enough to get the Sea Eagles over the line if the statistics of Manly’s win/loss record without the star custodian are anything to go by.
According to Fox Sports Lab, over the past two seasons the Sea Eagles have won only one in three matches played without Trbojevic. Last weekend’s loss to the Knights was Manly’s 15th loss from 22 games without the influence fullback.
Manley Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler during a training session.
Manley Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler during a training session.
Just how vital is Trbojevic to the Sea Eagles?
When Trbojevic takes the field Manly’s win record is almost 80 per cent since 2019 – and the side scores 12 more points each game on average.
But it doesn’t end there.
Manly’s last win at ANZ Stadium was against South Sydney in a preliminary final way back in 2013.
The venue has turned into somewhat of a graveyard for the Sea Eagles having lost the past 10 games played there since 2013.
The odds might be heavily stacked against the Sea Eagles but at the helm is a coach famous for adopting and exploiting ‘siege mentality’.
Des Hasler, a stickler for numbers and statistics, has no doubt spent the week preparing a game plan to rewrite the record books.
 

Kalvin

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 24, 2015
Messages
264
Either this is a ploy to play down his return date (Des style) or the rumours may be right and he may not play again this season!
 

Nordburg

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 3, 2015
Messages
2,007
What
NRL 2020: Manly superstar Tom Trbojevic unwilling to name return date after third hamstring injury in 18 months
Sea Eagles fans shouldn’t expect the cavalry arriving any time soon. With their season hanging in the balance, superstar fullback Tom Trbojevic has bad news on his return from injury.
Fatima Kdouh, The Daily Telegraph
Subscriber only
|
August 22, 2020 6:00am


FOXSPORTS1:12
War of words: Arthur comments prompt Bellamy walkout
NRL: A frustrated Craig Bellamy walked out of his press conference upon hearing Eels coach Brad Arthur refuted his players had deliberately staye...

With their season on the line, it’s the news Manly fans didn’t want to hear – star fullback Tom Trbojevic is unable to put a definite date on his return from a troublesome hamstring injury.
Trbojevic was slated to make a comeback in round 17 after injuring his left hamstring for the third time in 18 months playing against Canberra in round six.
But the 23-year old told News Corp Australia he could be at least three weeks away from taking the field and won’t risk returning before he is ready both physically and mentally.

Kayo is your ticket to the 2020 NRL Telstra Premiership. Every game of every round Live & On-Demand with no-ad breaks during play. New to Kayo? Get your 14-day free trial & start streaming instantly >
Manly's Tom Trbojevic injures his hamstring against Canberra in round six.'s Tom Trbojevic injures his hamstring against Canberra in round six.
Manly's Tom Trbojevic injures his hamstring against Canberra in round six.
NRL NEWS

Lavish parties, savage sprays: Boyd opens up on Knights nightmare

Was this the biggest hit in NRL history?



FROM OUR PARTNERS

Razor sharp analysis from Australia’s leading political insider. Watch Peta Credlin 6pm Weeknights, on Sky News. For more.

Human face of why NRL must ban crusher tackles
“I couldn’t put a time frame on it, it might be three weeks, I couldn’t honestly say. We are going day by day at the moment,” the Kayo ambassador said.
“It’s been a bit slower than I have liked, I’m feeling better and hopefully I’m back in a few weeks. Obviously you have to tick some boxes in recovery and I thought I would be able to tick them quicker but that hasn’t been the case.”
Frustratingly for Trbojevic, Saturday night’s round 15 clash against South Sydney at ANZ Stadium brings with it a sense of unwanted deja vu.
A pec injury forced the fullback to watch from the sidelines as the Rabbitohs buried Manly’s title ambitions in last year’s semi-finals.
Trbojevic faces a similar predicament on Saturday night with a loss all-but ending the finals chances of the Sea Eagles, who sit on 12 competition points in 10th place on the ladder.
“It was pretty hard watching that finals game, I’m a footy player, it’s what I want to do. It’s hard to put it into words, you want to be out there and feel like you aren’t helping from the sidelines,” he said.
Trbojevic has again been forced to watch Manly fight for their season from the sidelines.
Trbojevic has again been forced to watch Manly fight for their season from the sidelines.
A win for Manly against the eighth-placed Rabbitohs would narrow the margin to just two competition points between eighth and ninth place – effectively keeping the 2020 finals race alive.
It’s a rare proposition that will have NRL fans cheering the Sea Eagles alongside Trbojevic.
In the TAB’s NRL futures markets, the Sea Eagles are $3.50 for making the top eight but are at much shorter odds at $1.27 for failing to make this year’s finals series.
Before going down 26-24 to Newcastle in round 14, the northern beaches club were $41 to win the NRL premiership but have now drifted out to $67.
Even the support of the NRL fandom might not be enough to get the Sea Eagles over the line if the statistics of Manly’s win/loss record without the star custodian are anything to go by.
According to Fox Sports Lab, over the past two seasons the Sea Eagles have won only one in three matches played without Trbojevic. Last weekend’s loss to the Knights was Manly’s 15th loss from 22 games without the influence fullback.
Manley Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler during a training session.
Manley Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler during a training session.
Just how vital is Trbojevic to the Sea Eagles?
When Trbojevic takes the field Manly’s win record is almost 80 per cent since 2019 – and the side scores 12 more points each game on average.
But it doesn’t end there.
Manly’s last win at ANZ Stadium was against South Sydney in a preliminary final way back in 2013.
The venue has turned into somewhat of a graveyard for the Sea Eagles having lost the past 10 games played there since 2013.
The odds might be heavily stacked against the Sea Eagles but at the helm is a coach famous for adopting and exploiting ‘siege mentality’.
Des Hasler, a stickler for numbers and statistics, has no doubt spent the week preparing a game plan to rewrite the record books.
What these stats don’t say about Manly’s winning percentage without TomT is who else is out with him.Last year it was DCE,who was out for about 5 games and this year it’s Walker.Not saying TomT isn’t influential,it’s just that they don’t give the full picture
 

Staff online

Latest posts

2020 Ladder

Team P W D L PD Pts
1 Panthers 20 18 1 1 299 37
2 Storm 20 16 0 4 258 32
3 Eels 20 15 0 5 104 30
4 Roosters 20 14 0 6 230 28
5 Raiders 20 14 0 6 128 28
6 Rabbitohs 20 12 0 8 169 24
7 Knights 20 11 1 8 47 23
8 Sharks 20 10 0 10 0 20
9 Titans 20 9 0 11 -117 18
10 Warriors 20 8 0 12 -115 16
11 Tigers 20 7 0 13 -65 14
12 Dragons 20 7 0 13 -74 14
13 Sea Eagles 20 7 0 13 -134 14
14 Cowboys 20 5 0 15 -152 10
15 Bulldogs 20 3 0 17 -222 6
16 Broncos 20 3 0 17 -356 6
Top Bottom