The Wrestle

[Mark from Brisbane]

Don’t know if anyone was listening to ABC Grandstand radio on Saturday arvo , I don’t usually listen regularly but was driving my grandkids to the border after they had a week with us for school holidays ( before you ask they live just over the border so are part of the bubble ) to return them to our daughter.

Anyway the issue of the “ wrestle “ came up and Luke Lewis jumps on and says “ look players are trained to slow down the PTB area but no one is trained to hurt or maim an opposition player “ ( note this was after a caller rang in critical of the injuries caused by these tackles in 2020).

This was debated for a few minutes and they moved on to something else but shortly later another caller came on saying he was involved in the martial arts industry and has a black belt in this and a blue belt in that and said “ Luke you’re a good bloke and all but that’s a lot of ****”.

He went on to say that each and every move ( chicken wing , crusher etc ) IS specifically designed to stop movement and with the nature of the game the players AND coaches know this WILL cause injury!

He obviously had a security guard background as well and said this is stuff they train for to injure an attacker when the going gets tough.

He went in to say that all teams use it but ( and no surprise ) the Melbourne Storm’s whole defensive plan is based around these moves , he see’s it EVERY tackle they make.

The ABC team really wanted to end this conversation ( and eventually did ) but he really got his message across.

Don’t know if anyone else heard it but I found it bloody interesting.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I'm shocked (that they even let him go to air) 🙂

 

[manlyfan76]

It's crazy that this is not talked about more.
Manly have trained with Marital artists in the past, anyone who has even basic training can see these moves in most storm tackles.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I'm shocked (that they even let him go to air) 🙂

It’s the ABC after all!!

I doubt he’d of got on mainstream radio!

 

[manlyfan76]

It’s the ABC after all!!

I doubt he’d of got on mainstream radio!

(in old man boomer voice) Damn lefties!

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

It's crazy that this is not talked about more.
Manly have trained with Marital artists in the past, anyone who has even basic training can see these moves in most storm tackles.

No wonder we are ****. Training with Marital artists when the ****ing storm are using martial artists.... although I hear Marty when not powerlifting 7000 pounds paints a mean picture of a good old knees up wedding.

 

[manlyfan76]

No wonder we are ****. Training with Marital artists when the ****ing storm are using martial artists.... although I hear Marty when not powerlifting 7000 pounds paints a mean picture of a good old knees up wedding.
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Marital, martial what's the difference? Can even be the same thing.

 

[maxta]

The wrestling is not as bad as the fact every 1 of these "manoeuvres" are not legitimate tackles....but get the rewards of slowing that ruck....I mean how ridiculous dancing with a player then twisting them into an unnatural position and allowing 3 - 4 men to join in from different angles is rewarded more than a 1 on 1 mid riff driving tackle like a Jakey special....crazy really....
And I guarantee this 3rd man in driving below the knees whilst being held up by 2 players will permanently end a career and destroy an ACL and then be outlawed,

 

[ricardo]

Been saying it for years. Bellend can deny it all he likes but I see martial arts in every second tackle they put on.

 

[Haliaeetus]

2 tacklers max would speed up the game (without the ill-effects of of the arbitrary 6 again rule) and cut down on the wrestle

 

[ricardo]

Anyone remember this:

It's a ninjitsu pressure point move and the right hand is the one doing the damage. I'll explain.... Put you finger behind your jaw just below your earlobe and press hard. This is a pressure point. Smith is using his left hand to hold Simonsson's head in place while he applies a ninjitsu pressure point designed to inflict massive pain. There's nothing about this picture that screams "just completing a tackle".

If I had time i could point to many many examples like this where a player's leg/arm/neck is put in a position where it could cause injury, where a tackler chokes a ballrunner when they're on the ground with the tackle completed etc etc without even going into the more regular third man coming into the side they did about four times against the Roosters earlier this year.

Would be interesting to see some stats on players injured per team vs. Storm would be out and out favourites to win that one.

 

[nightster]

(in old man boomer voice) Damn lefties!

as an old man boomer I resent that remark ...

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Anyone remember this:
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It's a ninjitsu pressure point move and the right hand is the one doing the damage. I'll explain.... Put you finger behind your jaw just below your earlobe and press hard. This is a pressure point. Smith is using his left hand to hold Simonsson's head in place while he applies a ninjitsu pressure point designed to inflict massive pain. There's nothing about this picture that screams "just completing a tackle".

If I had time i could point to many many examples like this where a player's leg/arm/neck is put in a position where it could cause injury, where a tackler chokes a ballrunner when they're on the ground with the tackle completed etc etc without even going into the more regular third man coming into the side they did about four times against the Roosters earlier this year.

Would be interesting to see some stats on players injured per team vs. Storm would be out and out favourites to win that one.

Yeah Ninjitsu, I couldn’t remember that word but the caller to the ABC ( the martial arts guy ) mentioned this as well, every move designed to hurt and maim !!

 

[Loobs]

Don’t know if anyone was listening to ABC Grandstand radio on Saturday arvo , I don’t usually listen regularly but was driving my grandkids to the border after they had a week with us for school holidays ( before you ask they live just over the border so are part of the bubble ) to return them to our daughter.

Anyway the issue of the “ wrestle “ came up and Luke Lewis jumps on and says “ look players are trained to slow down the PTB area but no one is trained to hurt or maim an opposition player “ ( note this was after a caller rang in critical of the injuries caused by these tackles in 2020).

This was debated for a few minutes and they moved on to something else but shortly later another caller came on saying he was involved in the martial arts industry and has a black belt in this and a blue belt in that and said “ Luke you’re a good bloke and all but that’s a lot of ****”.

He went on to say that each and every move ( chicken wing , crusher etc ) IS specifically designed to stop movement and with the nature of the game the players AND coaches know this WILL cause injury!

He obviously had a security guard background as well and said this is stuff they train for to injure an attacker when the going gets tough.

He went in to say that all teams use it but ( and no surprise ) the Melbourne Storm’s whole defensive plan is based around these moves , he see’s it EVERY tackle they make.

The ABC team really wanted to end this conversation ( and eventually did ) but he really got his message across.

Don’t know if anyone else heard it but I found it bloody interesting.

@Mark from Brisbane, I've done a fair bit of BJJ so I'll explain a very basic fundamental. The most dangerous people at a BJJ academy are not the black belts, it's the white belts who are strong. The logic behind this is that a black belt knows technique so well that they are fully aware of the point between safety and injury and will never knowingly push beyond that(unless it's a comp and the other person doesn't tap).

On the other hand, the strong white belt knows no technique and is shown a few moves and instead of technique, relies on pure strength to get submissions. They think this is good because they "win" until they go against an equally strong higher belt and get their arse handed to them repeatedly (then if they're not complete idiots they start focusing on technique). These idiots are almost always always trying pin you down and rip your arm off. Only times I've broken things were against big new guys.

League players are the big, dumb, strong white belts. They learn a few wrestling moves in training and then go out on to the field and rip peoples shoulders out.

Manly used to get Bruno who owns SJJA in Crows Nest to train grappling. Dunno know why Des doesn't bring him back.

Anyway, my two cents...

PS: There is also a Roges podcast with Jocko where Jocko who is a black belt says exactly this.

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/the-m...n-the-mat-are-often-the-safest-to-train-with/

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

@Mark from Brisbane, I've done a fair bit of BJJ so I'll explain a very basic fundamental. The most dangerous people at a BJJ academy are not the black belts, it's the white belts who are strong. The logic behind this is that a black belt knows technique so well that they are fully aware of the point between safety and injury and will never knowingly push beyond that(unless it's a comp and the other person doesn't tap).

On the other hand, the strong white belt knows no technique and is shown a few moves and instead of technique, relies on pure strength to get submissions. They think this is good because they "win" until they go against an equally strong higher belt and get their arse handed to them repeatedly (then if they're not complete idiots they start focusing on technique). These idiots are almost always always trying pin you down and rip your arm off. Only times I've broken things were against big new guys.

League players are the big, dumb, strong white belts. They learn a few wrestling moves in training and then go out on to the field and rip peoples shoulders out.

Manly used to get Bruno who owns SJJA in Crows Nest to train grappling. Dunno know why Des doesn't bring him back.

Anyway, my two cents...

PS: There is also a Roges podcast with Jocko where Jocko who is a black belt says exactly this.

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/the-m...n-the-mat-are-often-the-safest-to-train-with/

Very informative!!!

Funny how all us mug punters can see it but the powers to be can’t ( or more likely don’t want to).

 

[The Who]

Wouldn't the best way to slow down the ruck be to reward the old fashioned legs tackle?
Let the ref give one-on-one leg tackles a lot more time to let go and resume their feet before the play-the-ball.
That way we'll reduce the wrestle and also see wonderful tackles which, sadly, are a rarity these days.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Wouldn't the best way to slow down the ruck be to reward the old fashioned legs tackle?
Let the ref give one-on-one leg tackles a lot more time to let go and resume their feet before the play-the-ball.
That way we'll reduce the wrestle and also see wonderful tackles which, sadly, are a rarity these days.

Like hens teeth I’d say

 

[The Who]

I think watching a covering legs tackle is one of the highlights of a match of RL. Remember Beaver cutting down opposition attacks with meticulous tackles? It gets crowds to their feet.
There was the Scott Sattler tackle in the Penrith V Easts GF which is still shown on highlight reels.
I remember little Les Johns doing similar tackles. Marvellous.
If PV wants to improve the RL spectacle then the NRL should investigate ways of getting such tackles back into the sport.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

The level of injuries that all teams are facing these days can’t just be because of bad playing surfaces but that’s all the media want to blame !!

 

[BOZO]

One of my most admired and respected all time Manly legends was Steve Matai
Every one of my mates who supported other clubs called him a grub and a dirty player who went out there to maim players as he would charge at them like an out of control missile.
I thought Matai was a gladiator and they though he was a thug . Each to their own !
One hard core old Souths neighbour who passed away years ago died with unforgiving and resentment on the Manly player John Bucknell who king hit his all time hero Sattler from behind and without the ball and broke his jaw . I would never here the end of it . I would see him in the morning on my way to work and say Good morning Johhny and he would replay back , Have great day you Manly mug. He also disliked me because we used to buy all souths star players .
Manly players Les Boyd and John Hoppate are on record with the longest suspensions of foul play in the history of the game .
The softening up period is about getting the better of your opponent physically and psychologically and some players emotion get the better of them
For those that dont think NRL players dont go out to hurt other players . Just watch the next SOO series
The Manly Mafia ....