The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

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maxta

First Grader
Premium Member
The funny part will be when we lose by 40 - 22 and then it will be "we scored enough points to win and havn't lost a game by more than 3 scores"
I think if Manly are doing 50/50 in training drills for attack and defence...Change it !!
Make it 80% Defence and 20% attack and we will maybe not fade out when the game is an arm wrestle and keep in mind, if they had Cleary and Edwards and others playing, it would have been 52 - 12 and that's if Oka stays on....maybe Tom would help reduce the margin if it's 1 of the 5 games he is fit to play.
 
I tend to think that if we miss finals again, we should look at both a head coaching, and a number of playing personnel changes. Since 2016, we have had a turbulent period, particularly after what was a very successful preceeding decade. Anthony Seibold is clearly an intelligent coach however, footy is results based. Let's face it, us Sea Eagles rightly have high expectations. In such a circumstance, I think Brad Arthur is in the conversation. Also, any reason why John Morris seems to be a pariah? Did I miss something as he looks like he has a heap of ability.

Player wise, we need to move away from stop gap players and get back to that Manly tradition of growing our own special ones, then signing some key big ones in the mould of a Ben Kennedy, Jamie Lyon, Mark Carroll, or Ian Roberts.
 

Sea Eagle 4 Life

Reserve Grader
If we do not make the eight, Seibold has to be shown the door.
Brad Arthur is the logical replacement, if he doesn't get snapped up in the meantime.
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Ryan

Journey Man
I'm not sure it's coaching guys. We've had:

Trent Barrett
Des Hasler
Michael Monaghan
Geoff Toovey
Anthony Siebold
John Cartwright
Shane Flannagan
Jim Dymock
Chad Randall

and many, many others (all different types and price-tags) coach us over the last decade and we've averaged 10th. When will people realize it's the roster?
 

BOZO

Journey Man
Tipping Member
I'm not sure it's coaching guys. We've had:
When will people realize it's the roster?
When will people realize .....
that Head Coaches In charge are accountable for their playing roster performance and they either .....
Exceed expectations and Overachieve
Meet expectations and Deliver
Or Fail expectations and underachieve

We all live and die by our results in what we do
 

Ranga

Bencher
Tipping Member
When will people realize .....
that Head Coaches In charge are accountable for their playing roster performance and they either .....
Exceed expectations and Overachieve
Meet expectations and Deliver
Or Fail expectations and underachieve

We all live and die by our results in what we do
True. But at the same time, coaches inherit a roster and need time to reshape it in their image. How much time - 2, 3, 4 years - is the issue up for debate.
 

BOZO

Journey Man
Tipping Member
True. But at the same time, coaches inherit a roster and need time to reshape it in their image. How much time - 2, 3, 4 years - is the issue up for debate.
The 2 , 3, and 4 year theory does not apply to a Top 8 roster with top players inherited
Affective coaches get the best out of that roster and live up to expectations or exceed expectations
 
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Rosko

Reserve Grader
Premium Member
Tipping Member
I'm not sure it's coaching guys. We've had:

Trent Barrett
Des Hasler
Michael Monaghan
Geoff Toovey
Anthony Siebold
John Cartwright
Shane Flannagan
Jim Dymock
Chad Randall

and many, many others (all different types and price-tags) coach us over the last decade and we've averaged 10th. When will people realize it's the roster?
At most clubs, the head coach determines the roster.
 

CRPSI eagle

Reserve Grader
Total club rebuild required. That's Penns gone , Seibold gone , DCE and Trbojevics gone , plodder forwards gone. Honestly would only keep Hopoate, Saab , Koula , Taulau , Olakau'atu, maybe Paseka.
Couldn’t agree more. We are going backwards fast. Trbojevics are now taking the piss! When will they medically retire Turbo? Come on!
 

Ranga

Bencher
Tipping Member
The 2 , 3, and 4 year theory does not apply to a Top 8 roster with top players inherited
Affective coaches get the best out of that roster and live up to expectations or exceed expectations
I guess where we will disagree is that I’m not convinced we have a top 8 roster (ie players 1-30). We have some guns, but also some roster fodder.

In my view, there is limited scope for a coach to materially improve personnel in the short term (0-2 years), increased scope in the medium term (2-3 years) and total control over the long term (3+ years).
 

jbb/james

First Grader
Premium Member
Tipping Member
I guess where we will disagree is that I’m not convinced we have a top 8 roster (ie players 1-30). We have some guns, but also some roster fodder.

In my view, there is limited scope for a coach to materially improve personnel in the short term (0-2 years), increased scope in the medium term (2-3 years) and total control over the long term (3+ years).
Agree

And we seem to enjoy long contracts further restricting the ability to shape the team

but coaches have to make big decisions and while i think we have improved a bit under seibs , tinkering with a small % of the cap to instigate major change can be tricky and doesn’t really move the dial in terms of results
 

LeonardCohen

Bencher
I agree with the assertion that coaches determine their roster, and I agree that it takes significant time to turn it over…however, it’s only ever to a certain extent, given the agency of the players themselves. The best example is probably Canberra. Stuart has been there for 10 years and had plenty of time to build a premiership roster, trouble is, no one wants to play in Canberra. So he has never assembled a bonafide premiership winning roster. He did well to get the 2019 team to the GF final with basically Jack Wighton and Papaliii as the only marquee players. He developed Tapine from the Knights and had to look at guys like Bateman and Whitehead in England to put a squad together.

Yes, we need a couple of strong signings but we are competing with 16 other clubs, it’s not as simple as the coach gets what he wants, more the coach tries to get what he wants.
 

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