Second year syndrome .. Fact or Fantasy ?

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Woodsie

Feast yer eyes ..
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All last year, when the numbnuts were calling for Garrick to be traded to anybody for anyone, Robbo and I, and a few other good judges kept telling you he simply had a case of 2nd year Syndrome, and that he would come good .. and as much as I hate saying I told you so .. I told you so .

Now, it is a strange affliction, that doesn't effect everyone, or even a majority .. but it does strike often enough to be real .. IMO... and when it does it is generally bad.

We have 4 players at risk of suffering it in 2022 Guacamole, Schuster, Harper and Saab, do think any will suffer, and if so who?

Here is a story that Supercoach did on the subject.

The theory that the first year a gun rookie is exposed to the NRL they are new and catch teams and coaches off guard.

But come the second season the team of coaches from all clubs have fully analysed their game and coached their players in ways to negate the strengths of the gun rookie resulting in a drop in performance.

Well today we’re going to look at the theory in a SuperCoach light. To do this properly firstly we have to look back a bit before we look forward.

Please note some of the players we are looking at below may have made their debuts earlier but for the purposes of this SuperCoach analysis we are looking at the first year they became relevant SuperCoach guns.

*Scroll down to the bottom of the page for a key on all SuperCoach relevant abbreviations.

Xerri-1-1024x576.jpg

Then we will analyse how they faired in their second year.

So as an experiment we have picked six of the best SuperCoach breakout players in 2017 and 2018 to see how they performed the following year.

Below are the breakout stars of 2018 and how they fared in 2019.

Player2018 points2018 Ave.2019 points2019 Ave.Ave. +/-
Kalyn Ponga131366136568+2
Jamayne Isaako13375694945-11
Jai Arrow135264105362-2
Matt Lodge126953131563+10
Shaun Lane130354128656+2
Reimis Smith5735284837-15
To note:

– For Ponga, an increase in SuperCoach points from goal-kicking helped him slightly better his average PPG despite the failed five-eighth experiment early in the season.

– Isaako was the opposite with a significant decrease in SuperCoach points from goals. He dropped from scoring 15.7PPG for goal kicks in 2018 to 9.4PPG in 2019.


– Matt Lodge’s increased role and minutes clearly had a lot to do with his improved average.

– Reimis Smith dropped significantly which is probably consistent with the erratic nature of the CTW position for most players.

Below are the breakout stars of 2017 and how they fared in 2018.

Player2017 points2017 Ave.2018 points2018 Ave.Ave. +/-
Angus Crichton1510691521690
Esan Marsters69353145861+8
Coen Hess1331581345580
Nick Cotric118950115748-2
Lachlan Fitzgibbon80758129362+4
Dylan Edwards8065840551-7
Matt Eisenhuth62357129754-3
To note:

– Esan Marsters gained the goal-kicking duties for the Tigers in 2018 hence the sharp increase in average.

IN SUMMARY

So what can we deduce from the two samples? It’s hard to get anything conclusive out of the data. There was no major correlation in why scores differentiated.

The main note to be taken when considering boom rookies from the prior season is that forwards will naturally be more likely to gain an increase in minutes than their backline counterparts.

A likely increase or similar minutes means forwards are the safest options if concern arises over second-year syndrome.


Of the seven forwards listed, just two (Eisenhuth and Arrow) produced smaller averages, both by minor margins.

Casting aside players who averaged around 80 minutes last season (Nikora, Bateman), this would suggest the likes of Luke Garner, Payne Haas, Cameron Murray and David Fifita are most likely set for SuperCoach improvement.

Backs are already playing the full 80, and if they’ve had stats to propel them to the top of SuperCoach charts they are far more likely to struggle to attain similar numbers.

Edwards, Isaako and Smith all experienced significant drops having been unable to back up their previous season’s exploits.

All in all, second-year syndrome impacts backs greater than forwards, but not significantly enough to suggest it should be a major concern when selecting your team.


2020 PREDICTIONS

Now the fun part! We have selected 13 of the best SuperCoach rookie/breakout players of 2019. Walson, Dez and Tim predict what we think they will average in 2020.

Player2019 points2019 Ave.WalsonDezTim
John Bateman143872757069
Cameron Murray159669726471
Payne Haas156778828381
Briton Nikora138060625657
Maika Sivo135659555262
Bronson Xerri118356586266
Ryan Papenhuyzen103952857780
Reuben Garrick125952505548
Paul Momirovski66555504843
Luke Garner80658635654
Brian To’o85157595350
Jayden Okunbor56657544842
David Fifita124254666673
 
Yep I had Garrick on the bus back to the Dragons ,they talk about consistency and getting used to the rigours of NRL every week , I think the 4 players you mentioned where suffering towards the end of the season,so hopefully a full preseason and they will all be firing
 
Yep I had Garrick on the bus back to the Dragons ,they talk about consistency and getting used to the rigours of NRL every week , I think the 4 players you mentioned where suffering towards the end of the season,so hopefully a full preseason and they will all be firing

Yeah .. the 4 we have at risk all seem to me to have the games to overcome the curse .. Schuster, as the most talented concerns me the most .. but not overly . I think Harper has already suffered his brick wall moment, and will break free next year ..
 
That 's a pretty good effort Woodsie in terms of some comprehensive research . in regard to Garrick , was reasonably confident that he could bounce back but not only his form was quite indifferent in 2020, most of the squad was . Wasn 't looking all that promising this season initially with some of Reuben 's defensive efforts and when he was run down by the Dragon 's forward Kerr in round 3 or so . . but certainly went to another level after that . Fair to say in conjunction with the whole side and coinciding with the return of Turbo .Especially his confidence level . Olakau - atu , Saab and Schuster are the type of players who would seem least affected to suffer any 2 nd year syndrome just based on sheer ability , Harper can hopefully get his Mojo back again both form and confidence wise after the end of last season's partial fade out .
 
All last year, when the numbnuts were calling for Garrick to be traded to anybody for anyone, Robbo and I, and a few other good judges kept telling you he simply had a case of 2nd year Syndrome, and that he would come good .. and as much as I hate saying I told you so .. I told you so .

Now, it is a strange affliction, that doesn't effect everyone, or even a majority .. but it does strike often enough to be real .. IMO... and when it does it is generally bad.

We have 4 players at risk of suffering it in 2022 Guacamole, Schuster, Harper and Saab, do think any will suffer, and if so who?

Here is a story that Supercoach did on the subject.

The theory that the first year a gun rookie is exposed to the NRL they are new and catch teams and coaches off guard.

But come the second season the team of coaches from all clubs have fully analysed their game and coached their players in ways to negate the strengths of the gun rookie resulting in a drop in performance.

Well today we’re going to look at the theory in a SuperCoach light. To do this properly firstly we have to look back a bit before we look forward.

Please note some of the players we are looking at below may have made their debuts earlier but for the purposes of this SuperCoach analysis we are looking at the first year they became relevant SuperCoach guns.

*Scroll down to the bottom of the page for a key on all SuperCoach relevant abbreviations.

Xerri-1-1024x576.jpg

Then we will analyse how they faired in their second year.

So as an experiment we have picked six of the best SuperCoach breakout players in 2017 and 2018 to see how they performed the following year.

Below are the breakout stars of 2018 and how they fared in 2019.

Player2018 points2018 Ave.2019 points2019 Ave.Ave. +/-
Kalyn Ponga131366136568+2
Jamayne Isaako13375694945-11
Jai Arrow135264105362-2
Matt Lodge126953131563+10
Shaun Lane130354128656+2
Reimis Smith5735284837-15
To note:

– For Ponga, an increase in SuperCoach points from goal-kicking helped him slightly better his average PPG despite the failed five-eighth experiment early in the season.

– Isaako was the opposite with a significant decrease in SuperCoach points from goals. He dropped from scoring 15.7PPG for goal kicks in 2018 to 9.4PPG in 2019.


– Matt Lodge’s increased role and minutes clearly had a lot to do with his improved average.

– Reimis Smith dropped significantly which is probably consistent with the erratic nature of the CTW position for most players.

Below are the breakout stars of 2017 and how they fared in 2018.

Player2017 points2017 Ave.2018 points2018 Ave.Ave. +/-
Angus Crichton1510691521690
Esan Marsters69353145861+8
Coen Hess1331581345580
Nick Cotric118950115748-2
Lachlan Fitzgibbon80758129362+4
Dylan Edwards8065840551-7
Matt Eisenhuth62357129754-3
To note:

– Esan Marsters gained the goal-kicking duties for the Tigers in 2018 hence the sharp increase in average.

IN SUMMARY

So what can we deduce from the two samples? It’s hard to get anything conclusive out of the data. There was no major correlation in why scores differentiated.

The main note to be taken when considering boom rookies from the prior season is that forwards will naturally be more likely to gain an increase in minutes than their backline counterparts.

A likely increase or similar minutes means forwards are the safest options if concern arises over second-year syndrome.


Of the seven forwards listed, just two (Eisenhuth and Arrow) produced smaller averages, both by minor margins.

Casting aside players who averaged around 80 minutes last season (Nikora, Bateman), this would suggest the likes of Luke Garner, Payne Haas, Cameron Murray and David Fifita are most likely set for SuperCoach improvement.

Backs are already playing the full 80, and if they’ve had stats to propel them to the top of SuperCoach charts they are far more likely to struggle to attain similar numbers.

Edwards, Isaako and Smith all experienced significant drops having been unable to back up their previous season’s exploits.

All in all, second-year syndrome impacts backs greater than forwards, but not significantly enough to suggest it should be a major concern when selecting your team.


2020 PREDICTIONS

Now the fun part! We have selected 13 of the best SuperCoach rookie/breakout players of 2019. Walson, Dez and Tim predict what we think they will average in 2020.

Player2019 points2019 Ave.WalsonDezTim
John Bateman143872757069
Cameron Murray159669726471
Payne Haas156778828381
Briton Nikora138060625657
Maika Sivo135659555262
Bronson Xerri118356586266
Ryan Papenhuyzen103952857780
Reuben Garrick125952505548
Paul Momirovski66555504843
Luke Garner80658635654
Brian To’o85157595350
Jayden Okunbor56657544842
David Fifita124254666673
I think Harper and Schuster suffered 2nd year syndrome in the latter part of this season. Most people don't play such a long season in their first year.
 
FMD WOODSIE
After trying to understand that I feel like a numbnut and got straight on the blower to get some sausage rolls with a side of salad

I am confused . But not confused enough not to remember back in2919 and getting on the piz with the team after a Canberra win when DCE did his ankle

Best day of my life

It was the same day Gifty returned to brooky and broke bread with 2 V and finished with cards at beavers


I wrote about it before at the time but seeing the other Robbo ‘s other Robbo leaning in the bar with Rubes at 1 am at the boat club and talking wing tactics cemented it for me

Robbo after 8 hours drink and Rubes just so respectful taking it in

Both champs

I don’t care about 2nd year syndrome
It’s all about 3-4-5 year syndrome for me

And we got heaps

I have repeated to myself 100 times
I am a Numbnut
Go Manly
Go Woodsie
 
2 games constitutes “2nd year syndrome”? Tell me more?
Not sure did you see him get turned into Steve Mavin every time he faced his olam, it’s not second year syndrome I say it’s warming the seat for someone who does not look like a dear in headlights you catch the drift pal
 
Not sure did you see him get turned into Steve Mavin every time he faced his olam, it’s not second year syndrome I say it’s warming the seat for someone who does not look like a dear in headlights you catch the drift pal
He a had a couple of poor games at the backend of the year but the rest of the season he was pretty good
 

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