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Again, anyone only has to look at the background of the site you linked to work out their politics. May as well just give us a link straight to George Christensen or Craig Kelly.

Are you suggesting there is no health emergency? I'll go with the world's best medical science thank you. Not politicians pushing a ‘freedom’ agenda.

As to freedom – let’s call a spade a spade. It’s not ‘freedom’ at stake it’s money and profit.

Freedom to be a self-employed contractor means free to pay my own super (lol), free to have no paid holidays. Or sick leave. The real freedom is only for employers. They are free to avoid paying award wages and conditions.

Sick leave was never offered out of the kindness of employers’ hearts, it was hard won by extended industrial campaigns by organised labour. People get sick. It’s not workers’ fault. Same with the pandemic, we didn’t create Covid yet again its workers – and certain sections more than others – who are being forced to pay the price.

After all the mega-profits made from the labour of Australians over decades are we yet so poor we can’t support our workers during a health emergency? The money is out there somewhere, where did it go?
You should go into politics as you are the master of deflection. You don't even respond to what has actually been posted but regurgitate diatribe.

The article which I have posted has links to over 400 case studies undertaken all over the globe, which was posted in response to your assertion that vaccines together with measures such as masks, mandates would stop transmission.

I don't follow Christensen or Kelly. Nor am I part of freedom movement or any other political agency. Again, my whole family has been vaccinated and I have legitimate concerns about the future direction of our public health policy and everyone, including you are ignoring the alarming questions:

Question: were the individuals who brought the Omicron variant into our beloved country from South Africa double vaccinated ??

Question: does this not raise concerns on the efficacy of the Covid-19 vaccines to prevent transmission of current (Delta/Omicron) and future variants??

Question: Should we continue to vaccinate our children 5-11 ( who are at minimal risk) with the current Covid-19 vaccine when there are talks of Pfizer, Moderna et all looking into producing another vaccine for the Omicron variant??
 
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he's only the bloke who got matai and stewart thru the backend of their career. he got punted by trent in 2015 and look at what happened to those two fellas in 2016. i don't agree with his anti vax stance but he is one of the best on the game at what he does

I wasn’t being 100% serious, I doubt Donnie has much to do with specific injury management, he’s more there to get them fit. They went external with Turbo and have specialists working with him.
 
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ou should go into politics as you are the master of deflection. You don't even respond to what has actually been posted but regurgitate diatribe.
I’m not trying to deflect I’m trying to work out what you are getting at. You posted a mish-mash edited video clip published by someone accused of spreading vaccine misinformation so I suspected you might be anti-vax, but very pleased to hear you are not.

You said we need to question the direction of our public health policies, I asked what you propose but you still haven’t said.

Instead you keep asking me questions, sorry but you’re asking the wrong person. My guess would be that the best scientific information available is that from the WHO and the likes of Dr fauci and Kerry Chant. Rather than the studies you referred to, because the site you point us to is pushing a political agenda - that freedom guy. (Again, pleased to hear you don’t have that agenda yourself.)

Anyhow - is there some new direction you're proposing for our public health policies? If so, what?
 
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Adam Lucius writes in this week's Northern Beaches Review (Inside Back):

"Donny Tied up in Knots
Veteran Manly Sea Eagles trainer Don Singe had the eyes of the NRL world centered on him last week after it was revealed he was unvaxxed while conducting pre-season training at Narrabeen.
Inside Back was told Singe was not against getting the vax but had a complicated "medical process" to follow before he could get jabbed and was following all NRL Covid protocols in the meantime.
The veteran high-performance manager, who is very much Des Hasler's right-hand man, copped a barrage of criticism but refused to respond - except when his choice of hairstyle was ridiculed by none other than shock jock Ray Hadley, who said of Singe: "I notice he's got one of those up ponytails which are normally worn by young blokes, not blokes his age. Anyway, that's his preference. He's a controversial figure."
As Singe explained with a laugh, the manbun has nothing to do with trying to look 21. He told us: "The top knot is a Maori symbol called Tikitiki. It's about the teachings of Maui - the Maori demi-god. (Tikitiki) is also the name of my home in New Zealand."
Singe will be back at Narrabeen barking orders at pre-season training within the next few weeks."

Haha, put that in your pipe and smoke it Hadley - so quick to criticise without checking facts :rolleyes:
 
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@Spartan Eagle - Serious suggestion - you could try asking those questions here, its a QA that's been run by abc online pretty much since the pandemic began. Not sure if they answer all questions but worth a try

Also to put in context my earlier comments - my concerns are twofold, and linked.
First the plethora of conspiracy theories and downright false information out there about the virus and vaccines etc. Second the far right political groups that are taking advantage of the social chaos to extend their influence.

Clearly scientific understanding of the virus, vaccines and treatments is necessarily a work in progress, because it's all new and it keeps changing. However at any point in time there is a 'best' scientific view of what to do.

And for political reasons that best medical advice has been ignored to one extent or another by all the various govts around the world that are grappling with the emergency, some far more than others, eg Bolsonaro, Trump. Here in Australia we've had much legitimate cause for complaints but overall compared to some other places the science has been taken pretty seriously. As evidenced by our relatively low deaths.
 
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Adam Lucius writes in this week's Northern Beaches Review (Inside Back):

"Donny Tied up in Knots
Veteran Manly Sea Eagles trainer Don Singe had the eyes of the NRL world centered on him last week after it was revealed he was unvaxxed while conducting pre-season training at Narrabeen.
Inside Back was told Singe was not against getting the vax but had a complicated "medical process" to follow before he could get jabbed and was following all NRL Covid protocols in the meantime.
The veteran high-performance manager, who is very much Des Hasler's right-hand man, copped a barrage of criticism but refused to respond - except when his choice of hairstyle was ridiculed by none other than shock jock Ray Hadley, who said of Singe: "I notice he's got one of those up ponytails which are normally worn by young blokes, not blokes his age. Anyway, that's his preference. He's a controversial figure."
As Singe explained with a laugh, the manbun has nothing to do with trying to look 21. He told us: "The top knot is a Maori symbol called Tikitiki. It's about the teachings of Maui - the Maori demi-god. (Tikitiki) is also the name of my home in New Zealand."
Singe will be back at Narrabeen barking orders at pre-season training within the next few weeks."

Haha, put that in your pipe and smoke it Hadley - so quick to criticise without checking facts :rolleyes:
Hadley at it again this morning, he had it from an"insider at the club" that Donny was training the boys this morning, Hadley couldn't understand Scott Penn allowing it, as he and his father have made $Ms from healthcare.
So club insider, any thoughts, I didn't think Zorba had much to do with the club these days,that wouldn't stop him calling in to training I guess
 
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So in the news this week we've had John Asiata being sacked by the Bulldogs for not being vaccinated & a rehash of this story on Singe.

I just find it extremely unlikely the club would allow Singe to be working while unvaccinated unless there are legitimate reasons for it.

Lucius' article above states:

"Inside Back was told Singe was not against getting the vax but had a complicated "medical process" to follow before he could get jabbed and was following all NRL Covid protocols in the meantime."

That sounds like legitimate medical reasons causing delays in him getting vaccinated & not at all like the club & Singe both thumbing their noses & breaking the rules as per Rothfield's story, which is sounding more like a beat up to me as more info comes out.
 
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Have to assume the information yesterday that some 90 % of covid patients in N S W hospital beds were not vaccinated and some 95 % in ICU were also unvaccinated is accurate . Pretty irrefutable evidence that higher transmission rates are almost inevitable unless there is some practical or even partial restrictions on those who for whatever reason chose not to get the vax , Intrigued that most countries would still have functional quarantine facilities and have over all eras for whatever purpose , Including Ellis island in the U S to debunk some of the wacky conspiracy theories from there questioning the necessity of such facilities .
 
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Well I had a lovely Skype chat today with my diabetic specialist doctor. In it he asked me had I had the jab? I said, I’ve had the first one, and tomorrow I’ll get the second. He said good. But you do realise once they open the border on Monday, the Gold Coast will become a mini-Sydney, but he didn’t stop there. He went on to say you will get it, I will get it. At this point, I sarcastically said, thanks for that. Then he moved his face closer to the camera, and said "do you see me smiling?, by February/March Qld will be the leading state in Covid related infections!" Then he pauses, and i can see hes looking at my latest blood work and recent scans. Then after what seemed to be an age, he groans and asks if I have any questions. "Nup, no, nothing to add, see you in three months". He says (and Im not making this up), if we are still around. Says gooddbye and ends the call.
Ten minutes later, up comes an e-mail. His invoice for payment….$120 bucks. What a champ (and yes Im using "champ' in the prison context.)
 
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Gee ,that sounds
Well I had a lovely Skype chat today with my diabetic specialist doctor. In it he asked me had I had the jab? I said, I’ve had the first one, and tomorrow I’ll get the second. He said good. But you do realise once they open the border on Monday, the Gold Coast will become a mini-Sydney, but he didn’t stop there. He went on to say you will get it, I will get it. At this point, I sarcastically said, thanks for that. Then he moved his face closer to the camera, and said "do you see me smiling?, by February/March Qld will be the leading state in Covid related infections!" Then he pauses, and i can see hes looking at my latest blood work and recent scans. Then after what seemed to be an age, he groans and asks if I have any questions. "Nup, no, nothing to add, see you in three months". He says (and Im not making this up), if we are still around. Says gooddbye and ends the call.
Ten minutes later, up comes an e-mail. His invoice for payment….$120 bucks. What a champ (and yes Im using "champ' in the prison context.)
Gee , that sounds on the pessimistic side , would surely buck the general Australian trend and likely outcome forecasts . Can only assume that you will be or try to live as normal and healthy life as manageable so can 't see how you would be any more susceptible and being double vaxed as the average Joe Blow would put you even less in the again susceptible category all things normal . , Anyway strength and positive vibes to you and hopefully the silver Tails spirit will play its part too
 
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Your statements are false and there is no tolerance for false information about vaccines on this site. Feel free to produce an unedited quote from Dr Fauci if you can but that ridiculous edit job of a video doesn't cut it. I have heard Dr Fauci speak many times and he is always extremely clear. The vaccines are important to prevent sickness and death and reduce transmission of the virus. It was never claimed they would prevent every single person from getting sick and it was never claimed the vaccine would stop transmission. It will reduce transmission, in conjunction with other measures such as masks social distancing and hand washing. This is the message we've been getting since the start.

As for your last line, no I don't agree at all, however what do you (and Dr Malone) propose?
I watched a great Doco on Dr Fauci called Fauci.I’ll put my hand up and honestly say I hadn’t heard of him before, even though he turned 80 this year. (Yes the rock I live under is very comfortable).
He’s gotta be the best looking 80 year old bloke I’ve seen (not that it’s my thing).
An amazing life. Not scared to say when he got things wrong in the past (AIDS/HIV). But rather than dig his heels in, he goes back and finds better ways of communicating with his adversaries.
The way he handled Trump was the mark of a very tolerant and good man.
As the saying goes, everyday you learn something new. Well I got it in bucket loads watching this doco.


https://disneyplus.com/movies/fauci/3cBM9sv1hGeR?sharesource=iOSI thought you might like 'Fauci' on Disney+.
 
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Have to assume the information yesterday that some 90 % of covid patients in N S W hospital beds were not vaccinated and some 95 % in ICU were also unvaccinated is accurate . Pretty irrefutable evidence that higher transmission rates are almost inevitable unless there is some practical or even partial restrictions on those who for whatever reason chose not to get the vax , Intrigued that most countries would still have functional quarantine facilities and have over all eras for whatever purpose , Including Ellis island in the U S to debunk some of the wacky conspiracy theories from there questioning the necessity of such facilities .

What we all need to understand is that NSW for instance is almost 95% double vaxxed. So logically the majority of hospitalisation cases and deaths will be those who fall in the double vaxxed category.

The 3 people who died over the weekend were all vaccinated.

"A man in his 80s who was a resident of the Gillawarna Village Aged Care facility in Sydney, where he acquired his infection, was among the deaths announced on Saturday.

He had received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine but had underlying health conditions.

It is the second death linked to the facility.

Two other fully vaccinated people - a woman in her 70s and a man in his 80s - also died on Friday."

The new Omicron variant which so far seems less potent than the Delta is being transmitted to/by the fuĺly vaccinated.

IMO the curent vaccines are ineffective against this strain because the spike proteins have changed/mutated such that the protective antibodies afforded by the original vaccine are prevented from binding to it.

So am not sure what the boosters are supposed to do? The vaccine's efficacy against the Delta variant has already been shown to be waning. It's all very concerning. We need to adapt like the virus. I don't think we can vaccine our way out of this


 
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What we all need to understand is that NSW for instance is almost 95% double vaxxed. So logically the majority of hospitalisation cases and deaths will be those who fall in the double vaxxed category.

The 3 people who died over the weekend were all vaccinated.

"A man in his 80s who was a resident of the Gillawarna Village Aged Care facility in Sydney, where he acquired his infection, was among the deaths announced on Saturday.

He had received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine but had underlying health conditions.

It is the second death linked to the facility.

Two other fully vaccinated people - a woman in her 70s and a man in his 80s - also died on Friday."

The new Omicron variant which so far seems less potent than the Delta is being transmitted to/by the fuĺly vaccinated.

IMO the curent vaccines are ineffective against this strain because the spike proteins have changed/mutated such that the protective antibodies afforded by the original vaccine are prevented from binding to it.

So am not sure what the boosters are supposed to do? The vaccine's efficacy against the Delta variant has already been shown to be waning. It's all very concerning. We need to adapt like the virus. I don't think we can vaccine our way out of this


Actually was just mentioning a reference from the NSW health director , officer [ or one of them ] with those stats It does become more complicated with the ongoing virus [ covid ] strain variations and in relation to the evolving vaccination state of affairs but underlying medical preference has always been maximum vaccination rates so pretty much status quo there i guess . Herd immunity with minimal damage or community harm is also still the main objective so probably not that much different from your perspective , Just the method of getting there and eventually living with it with some sufficient measure of control and containment . Anyway you always seem to approach subjects on here from an intelligent point of view and that has to be respected .
 
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What we all need to understand is that NSW for instance is almost 95% double vaxxed. So logically the majority of hospitalisation cases and deaths will be those who fall in the double vaxxed category.

The 3 people who died over the weekend were all vaccinated.

"A man in his 80s who was a resident of the Gillawarna Village Aged Care facility in Sydney, where he acquired his infection, was among the deaths announced on Saturday.

He had received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine but had underlying health conditions.

It is the second death linked to the facility.

Two other fully vaccinated people - a woman in her 70s and a man in his 80s - also died on Friday."

The new Omicron variant which so far seems less potent than the Delta is being transmitted to/by the fuĺly vaccinated.

IMO the curent vaccines are ineffective against this strain because the spike proteins have changed/mutated such that the protective antibodies afforded by the original vaccine are prevented from binding to it.

So am not sure what the boosters are supposed to do? The vaccine's efficacy against the Delta variant has already been shown to be waning. It's all very concerning. We need to adapt like the virus. I don't think we can vaccine our way out of this


Ultimately I think we’ll all get it , but the reason I’m vaccinated is I don’t want to either die from it , or be hospitalised and spend weeks on an incubator.

And I have friends who caught it last February ( 2020) on a cruise ship , both of them were perfectly healthy for late 60’s and both now have a raft of severe issues which the medicos are all saying we’re caused when they had Covid.

So no we won’t “ vaccine our way out “ but hopefully we won’t get too sick whilst we are building herd immunity.
 
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