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Greatest Ever Team

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Masked Eagle, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. Masked Eagle

    Masked Eagle Well-Known Member

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    I posted in the Jamie Lyon thread that I think I'd be ranking him infront of Snoz in our greatest ever team so that got me thinking about that side that was named in 2006. The team selected was:

    1. Graham Eadie 1971-83 (237 games)
    2. Ken Irvine 1971-73 (60 games)
    3. Bob Fulton 1966-76 (213 games)
    4. Michael O'Connor 1987-82 (115 games)
    5. Ray Branighan 1972-78 (114 games)
    6. Wally O'Connell 1951-52 (34 games)
    7. Geoff Toovey 1988-2001 (286 games)
    8. Roy Bull 1947-59 (177 games)
    9. Max Krilich 1970-83 (215 games)
    10. John O'Neill 1972-74 (51 games)
    11. Steven Menzies 1993-2006 (302 games)
    12. Terry Randall 1970-82 (208 games)
    13. Malcolm Reilly 1971-75 (89 games)

    Bench:
    14. Des Hasler 1984-96 (255 games)
    15. Ben Kennedy 2005-06 (37 games)
    16. Cliff Lyons 1986-99 (309 games)
    17. Paul Vautin 1979-89 (204 games)

    I know guys like Wally O'Connell and Ben Kennedy are credited with doing good things for the club, but IMO I have a problem with them being included in our greatest ever side playing so few games, especially when you consider the achievements of guys they are keeping out. I know you can make strong cases for what these guys helped put in place but if thats the line you want to take than Arko should be our halfback no question, but he isn't. I would be making a few changes to the one above and they are:

    Snoz out, Killer in.
    BK out, Choc in.
    O'Connell out, Cliffy in.
    And to take Cliffys spot on the bench ... Snake.

    Thoughts?
     
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    • Napper

      Napper Well-Known Member

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      Ballin in for Hasler.
       
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      • Rambo1987

        Rambo1987 Well-Known Member

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        Wally O Connell gave up a years footy and an Australian Jersey to be at Manly - Sorry he is a Legend.
        Snoz maybe for Lyon.
        BK started what we are right now and Choc wouldnt be anythinglike he is right now.

        Snoz for Lyon and thats about it.
         
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        • Volley

          Volley Well-Known Member

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          Lyon in the centres for O'Connor;
          O'Connor on the wing for Branighan;
          BK out for Choc;
          Vautin out for G. Stewart;
          Hasler out for B. Stewart.
           
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          • Masked Eagle

            Masked Eagle Well-Known Member

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            I know Wallys history but had he given up more than Arko? Did he contribute more to our teams success than Arko? IMO no, so why isn't Arko in the team if thats the criteria.

            Its our greatest ever team, I can't have BK in the mix for playing less than 50 games that didn't even include a winning final. Sure he played a big role in helping mould the group, but so have plenty of players in our past. What about the influence of guys like Cement and Spud on that group of young players which spearheaded one of our greatest eras? BK played a role in our current success but he wasn't the sole reason.
             
          • Cameron

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            Here goes

            1 Brett Stewart
            2 Ken Irvine
            3 Bob Fulton *
            4 Jamie Lyon
            5 michael o'connor
            6 cliff Lyons *
            7 Geoff toovey *
            8 Roy bull
            9 max krillich
            10 Brent Kite *
            11 Steve Menzies
            12 terry Randall
            13 Glenn Stewart *

            14 Mal Reilly
            15 Ben Kennedy
            16 John oneil
            17 Anthony Watmough

            So hard to do the stars ate for players who won mom/Churchill medals I can't think they can be left out. I know I'll cop heat for kite being there.
             
          • The Eagle

            The Eagle Well-Known Member

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            Kite......Christ....Of late he has been a spent force

            Has stayed to long in the NRL and needs a trip to england
            where he'd carve
             
          • Brookvale

            Brookvale Well-Known Member

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            So this was the best team over 60yrs in 2006. We've won 3 grand finals inc 2007 ;-) and created a few internationals since. The 2016 team will have a few changes.
             
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            • Kiwi Eagle

              Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              Someone read my mind, was gonna make this exact topic tonight !!

              I look at our current squad, and see Lyon, Watmough, both Stewarts are a chance of making the side. Foran and DCE capable if they spend their careers here as well

              Watmough will finish a club legend, playing well over 300 games for the club with multiple premierships, he is a certainty for me

              I never really saw enough of O'Connor and Vautin to rate how the current guys compare, with Glenn and Lyon after their spots.

              I think for me choc a certainty over BK by the time he finishes

              I know a lot of the older posters say Stewart doesn't compare to Eadie, again it isn't one I can judge
               
            • tulley

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              The debate about Brett or Wombat being in the team will never be settled. They both deserve to be there, but I lean towards Eadie with Brett on the bench.
               
            • Eagle Eyed Cherry

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              Lets face it, as much as Vautin loved the club & captained us to a premiership, he was no more than an honest toiler. I'd have Choc, Glenn Stewart and Nic Kosef in ahead of him.
               
            • Chip and Chase

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              I'd push Snoz to the wing, and bring in Killer.Probably axe Branigan. Or push Fulton to 5/8 and slot Killer in there. Either way Jamie has to be there.

              Gift for Vautin is a moral.

              Choc....well if he could catch he'd be one of the all time greats. I can't leave out Randall, Menzies or Reilly for him.....Kennedy maybe, only because of lack of games, not superior skill.
               
            • The Who

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              I never saw Wally play, but I saw Fulton from the first game and I'd play Fulton at 5/8 and bring in Lyon in the centres.
              I agree that as great as BK was, he didn't play long enough for Manly, so I'd have Choc there instead.
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              And I'm flabbergasted that Rex Mossop isn't there. He was a legend!
               
            • bones

              bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              Interesting that Beaver is only credited with 302 games and not 349. How do we expect the NRL to consider him a one club man when his own club doesn't?
               
            • Chip and Chase

              Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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              Killer 126 games
              Choc 221 games
              Snake 150 games
              Gift 147 games
               
            • Haz88

              Haz88 Active Member

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              Those 4 are in any of my teams everyday of the week.
               
            • mmmdl

              mmmdl Active Member

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              Is it possible that the 302 was the number of games he had played at the end of 06?

              47 games in 2 grand final years after that sounds about right.
               
            • north coast eagle

              north coast eagle Active Member

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              Des was OK but would you necessarily have him on the bench in front of Mayes, Gibbs, Jones, Chisolm, Martin, Thompson etc???
               
            • SeaEagleRock8

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              The selection of that side in 2006 - like everything else under the sun -was political. Hence the elevation of BK, which was always a bit of a stretch really, and Des. At that time those two were our current heroes and symbolised the mighty club's determined rise from the ashes.

              If the side was selected now it is quite possible neither of those would be in it (although for different reasosn!)
               
            • TWO DOGS

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              1. Graham Eadie
              2. Ken Irvine
              3. Bob Fulton (c)
              4. Jamie Lyon
              5. Michael O'Connor
              6. Cliff Lyons
              7. Geoff Toovey
              8. Roy Bull
              9. Max Krillich
              10. Terry Randall
              11. Steve Menzies
              12.Anthony Watmough
              13. Malcolm Reilly

              14. Brett Stewart
              15. Glenn Stewart
              16. Les Boyd
              17. Ian Martin
               

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