Dumb

[SeaEagleRock8]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

2 early penalties to allow Wests out of their half when we had them on the rack. They were good enough to turn that into repeat sets, then into points.

Were those penalties fair dinkum? If so, who were the players so dumb as to do that?

I'm happy if the culprits get dropped or fined to make a point!!

Perrett’s offload to start the second half... under instructions? I doubt it!

We have enough good players, and we began with energy, but in the modern game a modicum of intelligence is required.

It’s usually called discipline, and the most disciplined team usually goes far.

In a few cases yesterday we were dumb, and it killed us against a disciplined team.

 

[jbb/james]

Ive stated many times we are a dumb footy team overall. We lack patience, with our all or nothing attitude And it stems from the top down
Our kicking game is the dunce of the league. Its remedial
If you packaged all our kicks together from yesterday maybe one of crokers was good. All the rest park footy players would be ashamed of

 

[Chip and Chase]

We don't have a genuine leader on the field. We are used to having a team of 150 + gamers who are cool, calm and committed. DCE isn't a leader IMO and Jake tries his guts out to lead by example but he can only do so much. Too many times over the last 2 seasons we have capitulated when the chips are down. We quickly turn into a rabble and teams run in 20 or 30 unanswered points - we don't have good game management and execution to get ourselves back into contests.

We look a million bucks when things are going our way, but apart from the odd game here and there we aren't showing a lot of toughness to fight our way back into games when momentum swings against us. That comes back to coaching and on field leadership.

 

[nightster]

our most experienced player is Joel Thompson .... but new to the team .... then Matt Wright who is a calm and collected player maybe we need him at the back and TT in the centres with Joel leading up front and Matt Wright steering from the back ... and Tom free to roam , Jake to 5/8 Kelly wing & Brad Parker second row bench .... ok I'm starting to froth .... better do something constructive ... like take a dump ...

 

[mave]

Both early penalties were on AFB.

The first on on tackle 4 15m out was rubbish.

The 2nd one, he clearly never got to marker and tackled the Tiger before he ran 10m. Penalty warranted.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I say again James Graham would have been absolutely perfect, and look how his team is going now!!

 

[Eagleman]

I say again James Graham would have been absolutely perfect, and look how his team is going now!!

We certainly need a a prop in the mould of a Jesse Bronwich or Sam Burgess type.
And for the love of god we need to find a 5/8.

 

[Fluffy]

Nothing wrong with Perrett trying an offload, it was the second half and no one else had tried anything, someone had to be the first.

The bounce was unfortunate and Api was asleep or just didn't care to dive on the ball with any urgency.

Can't be the only dumb team, after the refs gave the tigers piggy back after pick back to start with, the first tackle they made saw one of their players 2m offside right in front of the ref leaving him no excuse. just needed to wait 20 minutes when the interpretation had changed.

 

[globaleagle]

Shows you how important it is to win the toss and receive in today's nrl.

time on, catch the ball....

penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty....try!

Ok, now the refs have shown who's the boss...the game can actually get started!

 

[The Who]

What this match showed - apart from reinforcing that refs change the course of each game - is that Big isn't always better. In the past season we've been fixated on big forwards, which will work when we have the ball but in the first half yesterday we had just 21% of possession. The Tigers' small, more mobile team ran our guys ragged. Kapow, AFB, Perrett, Penny, Tent, even Jake, are slow (Jake is a prop playing as a lock). When there is a lot of ball movement we don't cope well. Cast your mind back to when we had Gift, Dropnaugh, BJ and Buhrer - smaller, faster forwards who could also tackle.
When you saw both teams warm up it looked like a mis-match; we were so much bigger than the Tigers. How wrong that proved.
If you watched our Under 16s play you would have noticed how many huge Polynesian kids we now have. This must be a deliberate recruitment ploy which doesn't always work.

 

[Chip and Chase]

What this match showed - apart from reinforcing that refs change the course of each game - is that Big isn't always better. In the past season we've been fixated on big forwards, which will work when we have the ball but in the first half yesterday we had just 21% of possession. The Tigers' small, more mobile team ran our guys ragged. Kapow, AFB, Perrett, Penny, Tent, even Jake, are slow (Jake is a prop playing as a lock). When there is a lot of ball movement we don't cope well. Cast your mind back to when we had Gift, Dropnaugh, BJ and Buhrer - smaller, faster forwards who could also tackle.
When you saw both teams warm up it looked like a mis-match; we were so much bigger than the Tigers. How wrong that proved.
If you watched our Under 16s play you would have noticed how many huge Polynesian kids we now have. This must be a deliberate recruitment ploy which doesn't always work.

That's the Bozo influence - he pretty much cleaned out our forward stocks and started from scratch. Not that I think he has done a bad job, when it works it looks great - big units hitting the line and offloading. Our issue the last two weeks has been intensity in defence and line speed - these big units aren't hitting with any purpose and there is no line speed in D. We used to bash teams when they had the ball during those Des days, now we wait and cuddle. We struggle to win the ruck because of that and then that leads to penalties for laying on players, hands on balls, not square at marker - all the byproducts of not dominating the tackle. We need to work on turning momentum through some committed defence.

 

[SeaEagle21]

Have to disagree with Perrett... Wasn't he almost immediately hooked from the field after that forced offload?... 3mins into the 2nd half?...unless I missed something.

I was furious with that play early after the break and giving up the ball. Yes we needed to try things to get back in the game but first couple of sets get to the last tackle and steady the ship to get confidence and more importantly out of your own half.

It was a bad day all round but watching the game from the ground there were no forwards looking for the ball to take a hit up. Don’t know how it looked on TV but seemed like our backline was doing most of the grunt work?

 

[COMMANDER]

If we don't give away three offside penalties in the first 15 minutes the result would have been much different. When will these guys realise that they aren't mucking around in the ruck and at the 10m. If we stop giving away 6-8 dumb penalties every game the outcome for us will be much different.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

If we don't give away three offside penalties in the first 15 minutes the result would have been much different. When will these guys realise that they aren't mucking around in the ruck and at the 10m. If we stop giving away 6-8 dumb penalties every game the outcome for us will be much different.

Finally, someone nails it!

Game was over after 15 minutes due to weight of possesion all caused through a big run of penalties and repeat sets!

Fatigue then dominated the rest of the game.

 

[BOZO]

It is not only the dumb play that is killing us but also the inept play of unforced errors and defensive lapses . The other major issue we have is what we don't have and that is a 5/8 . I have not seen a more incompetent 5/8 wearing the maroon and white colors than Croker

 

[OneEyedEagle]

We are really missing the likes of a player like Killer.

The players themselves should be responsible for the losses.

 

[Ryan]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

2 early penalties to allow Wests out of their half when we had them on the rack. They were good enough to turn that into repeat sets, then into points.

Were those penalties fair dinkum? If so, who were the players so dumb as to do that?

I'm happy if the culprits get dropped or fined to make a point!!

Perrett’s offload to start the second half... under instructions? I doubt it!

We have enough good players, and we began with energy, but in the modern game a modicum of intelligence is required.

It’s usually called discipline, and the most disciplined team usually goes far.

In a few cases yesterday we were dumb, and it killed us against a disciplined team.

And in a very late (even on the 5th if I recall) tackle count. Killed us.

 

[HoldenV8]

It is not only the dumb play that is killing us but also the inept play of unforced errors and defensive lapses . The other major issue we have is what we don't have and that is a 5/8 . I have not seen a more incompetent 5/8 wearing the maroon and white colors than Croker

This club has been blessed with some of the best 5/8's. Bozo, Ian Martin, Cliffy and yes, even Kieran Foran back before when. Croker isn't fit to hand them their boots let alone be in them.

As for the rest.....yep, agree. Dumb penalties, dumb passes, dumb defence.

Dumb defence......my god have players not yet learned after all these years that you NEVER TURN YOUR BACK WHEN A PENALTY IS BLOWN AND BENJI MARSHALL HAS THE DAMN BALL. He will tap and run and pull your pants down every single time.

 

[sheridanstand78]

The Tigers demonstrated that it comes down to playing at speed, having a plan and executing plays, they did not do anything that special and they starved us of the ball. The second half mindset was catch up, leading to rushing things with the ball and being impatient. I have said it many times, that we lack leadership and we needed someone to slow things down at 14-0 so the team could regroup. Massive lessons to learn from this defeat!!

 

[The Who]

Until we have a 5/8 who has the opposition in two minds when he has the ball we'll just be a one-dimensional attacking team.
Bunji gave Froggy a Master Class yesterday on all the attributes needed to be a first grade 5/8.