Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!

[Resurrected] DCE... Myth or legend?

Simonmyers11

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2012
Messages
4,712
Api wasn't utilized well under Des, Brookie being a generally slow slippery track doesn't help his up tempo engage the markers play either.

I mentioned last year that Api will do well at the Panthers with a coach that believes in him and playing on faster tracks away from Brookie more often.

In saying that his slow loopy ball service out of dummy half shortens up the lateral game a fair bit if there is no space around the markers to exploit, giving the halves less time and space when the team is not going forward.

Our main issue(for a few years now) is a lack of power explosive straightness in our sets, too much looking for second phase play instead of just hitting the line at pace with numbers in support to take the pressure off the lead runner and keep the defence honest.

As much as we love the numbers of AFB and Marty etc sometimes their numbers are ineffective numbers and generate slow play the balls(being held upright but reasonably contained adding a few more metres) or second phase play that sometimes is over valued and doesn't amount to much(other than the hope it fatigues the defensive line eventually in an accumulative way)
But your right in that, usually the team that simply just runs harder and tackles harder wins. Think we all still have that memory of last week's game in our heads - pretty ordinary performance.

Would like to see the whole team come out tomorrow and just play hard and run hard
 

Tomay

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2017
Messages
692
Cleary was just saying how much Api has allowed him to open his game up by drawing the markets and giving him quality ball. DCEs form is greatly affected by Levi in my opinion. I hope Danny can improve, otherwise it might be a long year for our halves.
 

Simonmyers11

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2012
Messages
4,712
Cleary was just saying how much Api has allowed him to open his game up by drawing the markets and giving him quality ball. DCEs form is greatly affected by Levi in my opinion. I hope Danny can improve, otherwise it might be a long year for our halves.
Exactly, Levi is pretty avg. Hooker is such an important position, gets their hands on the ball more than any player and controls the game. Use to love when Faniu came on, attack always went to another level
 

mickqld

Sea Eagle forever
Joined
Sep 13, 2004
Messages
9,599
Do you think any player that plays for Manly is any good?
Yep Turbo is a match winner but not much good sitting on the sidelines half the year ,every year. AFB is the best prop in the game , Jake Turbo the best lock, Siro is a topline 2nd rower, Walker is a champion center not a 5/8, Suli has the potential to be the most damaging center, Taupau is a top prop, Thommo is a great 2nd row worker. The rest are average. DCE just doesn't live up to the hype I'm afraid.
 

Simonmyers11

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2012
Messages
4,712
Yep Turbo is a match winner but not much good sitting on the sidelines half the year ,every year. AFB is the best prop in the game , Jake Turbo the best lock, Siro is a topline 2nd rower, Walker is a champion center not a 5/8, Suli has the potential to be the most damaging center, Taupau is a top prop, Thommo is a great 2nd row worker. The rest are average. DCE just doesn't live up to the hype I'm afraid.
I agree, but I rate DCE best half in the game@:) And Faniu will be great.

Just stiring by the way.
 

StuBoot

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2010
Messages
2,400
. Most of Manly's attack came off the forwards rolling forward through the middle last year. Manly were ranked number one in this department. Marty and AFB rarely get taken to the ground either and usually take 3 defenders to stop them. Problem this year is a hooker which has no footy smarts. Can throw a ok flat pass but that is really ineffective today's game, need to engage defence first. Also feel we are missing impact off the bench, Jetski and Paeska really offering not much, and missing the impact of Faniu off the bench too. Surprised not too see a sipley type get a go
Another problem is they are are still punching through, engaging three defenders but when the ref calls held they’re getting put on the deck but that’s negates any advantage they may have gained.
Happens most games with most teams so it’s not just us that it happens to.
 

Damien2812

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2011
Messages
324
Yep Turbo is a match winner but not much good sitting on the sidelines half the year ,every year. AFB is the best prop in the game , Jake Turbo the best lock, Siro is a topline 2nd rower, Walker is a champion center not a 5/8, Suli has the potential to be the most damaging center, Taupau is a top prop, Thommo is a great 2nd row worker. The rest are average. DCE just doesn't live up to the hype I'm afraid.
All those players do there best every week but with DCE very rarely. I don't want to talk crap about our players but the criticism regarding DCE is well deserved. He is like a passenger on the field which hardly injects himself into the match when he is payed to do so. His short kicking game is the worst in the competition which is sad so that makes him the highest payed half that cant kick short.
 

Cioran

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 2, 2018
Messages
807
Alternative headline:

Why can’t DCE win us games without our 4 best attacking players and 75% of his usual spine combo.
Because the opposition have figured out his game plan of run slowly to the right or left and hand the ball to someone else. The other teams are just to smart for him.
 

Simonmyers11

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2012
Messages
4,712
Because the opposition have figured out his game plan of run slowly to the right or left and hand the ball to someone else. The other teams are just to smart for him.
I think a more accurate description would be opposition have figured out we don't have a 6, Levi is not threat at all from hooker, and then if you take out Tom all they have to do is stack defence on DCE. Crocker is not going to do anything, Levi is predictable, Garrick is not threat at Full back, Funa is soft, thank God we have Suli back.

I get the critism if Manly's towards were Rolling forward getting off loads and quick play the balls, a smart hooker drawing the markers, back rowers punching through the line, a 5/8 who would also be a threat - even someone line Blake Green and DCE was still playing ****!?

But look at the players around him, they are rubbish!! We have no impact off the bench either. I'm fine with DCE, he's not why we are not winning games. We have no 1, 6 and 9 and too many reserve grade forwards.
 

The better Robbo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 5, 2017
Messages
1,357
I think a more accurate description would be opposition have figured out we don't have a 6, Levi is not threat at all from hooker, and then if you take out Tom all they have to do is stack defence on DCE. Crocker is not going to do anything, Levi is predictable, Garrick is not threat at Full back, Funa is soft, thank God we have Suli back.

I get the critism if Manly's towards were Rolling forward getting off loads and quick play the balls, a smart hooker drawing the markers, back rowers punching through the line, a 5/8 who would also be a threat - even someone line Blake Green and DCE was still playing ****!?

But look at the players around him, they are rubbish!! We have no impact off the bench either. I'm fine with DCE, he's not why we are not winning games. We have no 1, 6 and 9 and too many reserve grade forwards.
I agree. We are somewhat losing in our team selections.
Levi, Paseka and Gosiewski should be gone on form. Start Croker at 9, Cust at 6, Boyle to bench. I'd even say Metcalfe to Fullback and Garrick to wing. Atleast Metcalfe is a threat with the ball. We seen with Gutho how important it is to have a ball playing fullback. Or atleast Metcalfe/Schuster to bench.
As you mentioned we have very limited options in the current team selected. We have the players but they are either not selected or selected out of position
 

Simonmyers11

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2012
Messages
4,712
I agree. We are somewhat losing in our team selections.
Levi, Paseka and Gosiewski should be gone on form. Start Croker at 9, Cust at 6, Boyle to bench. I'd even say Metcalfe to Fullback and Garrick to wing. Atleast Metcalfe is a threat with the ball. We seen with Gutho how important it is to have a ball playing fullback. Or atleast Metcalfe/Schuster to bench.
As you mentioned we have very limited options in the current team selected. We have the players but they are either not selected or selected out of position
Yep, some strange selections? I would entertain your positional changes above.

And where is Waddell? Injured? MIA. Sipley? Thought he was terrific off the bench last year? Not match fit?

I personally cannot stand Crocker at 5/8, Levi should start but be subbed earlier for Crocker at 9, Garrick is no threat at Full back either.
 

manlyfan76

Parra Trolls are the best.
Premium Member
Joined
Dec 11, 2010
Messages
14,540
Dce is better than Hunt and Milford and ash taylor and Nikorima. And other marquee halves.
Is he the best? Not on form but he is clearly clutch. How long did JT struggle without a gun side around him? His whole career at the cowboys. With a good, in form team DCE will shine again.
 

Staff online

Latest posts

2020 Ladder

Team P W D L PD Pts
1 Panthers 12 10 1 1 134 21
2 Storm 12 10 0 2 157 20
3 Eels 12 10 0 2 122 20
4 Roosters 12 8 0 4 166 16
5 Raiders 12 8 0 4 43 16
6 Sharks 12 7 0 5 46 14
7 Knights 12 6 1 5 31 13
8 Rabbitohs 12 6 0 6 34 12
9 Sea Eagles 12 6 0 6 -44 12
10 Tigers 12 5 0 7 52 10
11 Dragons 12 4 0 8 -22 8
12 Warriors 12 4 0 8 -135 8
13 Cowboys 12 3 0 9 -84 6
14 Titans 12 3 0 9 -173 6
15 Broncos 12 3 0 9 -205 6
16 Bulldogs 12 2 0 10 -122 4
Top Bottom