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David Williams no try

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by DSM5, May 30, 2008.

  1. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member

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    What was he meant to do run through his teammate or run over the sideline?  Simpkins and the Hampster should be pensioned off, they were disgraceful tonight.  The raiders try straight after was on the back of a clear forward pass.  Disgraceful. 
     
  2. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member

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    The last pass to Best went metres forward.

    The rule as written was broken in the obstruction but it is silly. Noone deliberately impeded anyone.
     
  3. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    Despite that I think Campese would not have got close enough to him for an effective tackle whether lyon was there or not.   

    DSM/CW - your thoughts on Matai's effort to score the vital try last night?
     
  4. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan

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    Matai's try was great to watch, he does have a great step when he uses it and if he can start perfecting it he will improve as a player even more
     
  5. Fro

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    you lot are unbelievable, of course he was obstructed, and campese may not have tackled him effectively , but we won't know because he couldnt get to him, shepherds dont get much more obvious than that.
     
  6. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

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    I agree the defender was obstructed but what was Lyon supposed to do, dissapear?
    I thought they could have bought it back for a scrum rather than give the Raiders a penalty because at worst it was an accidental Shepperd.
     
  7. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    I didnt say it was deliberate, I said it was obvious.

    Most shepherds are accidental, doesn't tmeant they aren't shepherds
     
  8. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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    It wasn't a try

    I thought the one that Robbo nearly burgled was closer to a try, he may have gotten the ball touching the turf a split second before it touched the line.
     
  9. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member

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    Wheel, Matai's stepping for the try was good, although I thought the raiders defenders looked tired and disinterested, as they did when Choc strolled through.  If Matai's try had been scored against us I'd be filthy with the defense.  That said, it was a good strong effort and 'he done good'.  However I just hate the way he runs out of the line putting pressure on the outside men.  I wonder what they think of this strategy?  As Kiwi has said on another post, given we were down to 12 men the occasional out of line hit either stops an oppositions movement or lets an opportunity open.  You have to weigh up the action, and it's a split second thing.  Stevie Boy?  an enduring enigma. 
     
  10. Fluffy

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    It was a shephard however shephards on kick returns happen many times a game. Should they all be penalised or only if it leads to a try?
     
  11. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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    The run out of the line is 1 of Des' plays i reckon DSM

    He used to use with Hoppa, and since Hoppa departed Matai seems to be that man

    Last season when i attended the finals game it seemed to be a set plan, because we changed our lineup before a big hit. I started to watch it pretty closely, and nearly every time before Matai charged in for a big shot he would swap positions in the line with Orford, moving 3 in
     
  12. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Nobody could argue that the Lyon obstruction was not accidental.

    Id be interested to hear why people think the obstruction was worthy of a penalty rather than a scrum and why people think that play shouldn’t have been allowed to go on as normal ??
     
  13. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

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    They spill it and Williams runs in a completely straight line forward. It just seemed wrong to pull it up.
     
  14. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member

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    Wheel, I thought Matai's effort to score that try was sensational. Getting the ball back just prior to it was also fabulous. In general he was very good for us.
     
  15. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Disagree mate. The obstruction rule is about which player you have run "BEHIND" to gain an advantage. Williams didn't run behind anybody. If that was an obstruction, any defending team should bolt straight into the attacking teams line each tackle, then attempt to make tackles - and it would be obstruction every time.
     
  16. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    Disagree all you like :)

    He was still stopped from getting to him, by your definition all he has to do is be facing him, then he is in front of him
     
  17. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Ryan: The rules make no mention of 'Behind" or any positional reference. Impedence is the issue.

    Fro: why shouldn’t play have been allowed to go on as normal ? and if play must be stopped why was that play penalised rather than a scrum ?
     
  18. Jatz Crackers

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  19. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    Sorry missed this yesterday, simply because the Canberra player was impeded from making a tackle.
     
  20. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    By the technical application of the rules it as a no try. The decision to penalise Manly was however an incorrect ruling by the ref and play should have recommenced via a scrum.

    Even with a tough assessment, the obstruction cannot be viewed as anything other than accidental. The relevant rules are as follows :

    "S15 1. A player is guilty of misconduct if he :
    (j) deliberately obstructs an opponent who is not in possession"

    "Obstruction can be either active, passive or accidental. Passive obstruction is where a player impedes an opponent by deliberately remaining in his path although he has had the opportunity to remove himself. If a player is in position which is likely to cause obstruction and he feels that any movement by him may aggravate the situation he should raise his hands above his head and thus indicate to the Referee that he is taking no part in the play. Where accidental obstruction irregularly affects the play, the game should be stopped and restarted with a scrum. If play is not affected then the game should not be stopped"
     

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