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Bidding Wars and the rise in the cap

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Disco, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. Disco

    Disco Well-Known Member

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    I think we all agree that it has been a disappointing year and we could do with some strengthening in a few key areas but I hope we don't panic buy and over pay for players with only 2017 in mind.

    For mine our squad is actually pretty strong and now we are coming into a unique period with a host of stars coming off contract next year due to the increase in the salary cap.

    To name a few in 2017 there are Hunt, Milford, McGuire, Roberts, Ofahengue, Arrow, Vaughan, Rapana, E Lee, Hopoate, Tolman, J Bird, Graham, Holmes , R James, Paasi, A Taylor, Chambers, Harris, Johnson, Matuline, B Thompson, Gagai, K Sims, Taumololo, Scott, Gutherson, Radradra, Blake, Peachey, Whare, Moylan, Watene-Zel......whatever, Johnston, Reynolds, Aitken, De-Belin, Evens, Guerra, Matterson, Napa, Pearce, JWH, Brroks, Moses, Tedesco, Woods

    For mine, I hope we show restraint this year

    Maybe something like

    Out - Stewart, Lyon, Mateo, Taufua, Leary, Burgess, Hodges and at least one of Lawrence/Starling

    In - Asofa-Solomona, Meehan, Mead, B Lee, give Hynes, Wright, Api or John a shot in 2016 and front load some contracts

    1.Trbojevic
    2.Mead
    3.Matai
    4.Walker
    5.Lee
    6.Api/John/Hynes/Wright
    7.DCE
    8.Lussick
    9.Parcell
    10.Myles
    11.Tapau
    12.Buhrer
    13.Trbojevic

    14.Fonua Blake
    15.Asofa-Solomona
    16.Knight/Meehan/Vave
    17.Brown

    Then at the end of next year, depending on players who breakout (Maybe Knight, Hynes etc) we could look at something like

    Out - Matai

    In - Woods/James, A Taylor/Moses/Bird, Aitken/Holmes

    For mine beeter to take the risk on some yound players breaking out next year than paying overs for players like Blake Green (no disrespect for Green, solid player)
     
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    • Harvies elbow

      Harvies elbow Well-Known Member

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      I don't get to see the lower graders so I rely on the opinions of this forum but after making the gf in the 20s last year we don't seem to have much coming through. Sacking the coach was another great idea by management so that's probably a contributing factor but most of last year's 20s should be learning the trade in nsw cup by now. Hynes name keeps coming up as a 5/8 but I haven't seen him so dunno if he's ready for a shot. Nonetheless we should build a culture. Whatever we buy, buy young and let's get it rolling again. Beau Scott would be great imo as a bk type and I'd be going all out to get him and a 5/8 for next year to begin with.
       
    • Turbo

      Turbo Well-Known Member

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      I really think green is a must buy, we cannot have the pressure on DCE of having to do everything like this year. He has really been running the ball a lot more since having Lyon at 5/8 which has given him more freedom. 2017 is looking like this to me.

      2017
      1: T Trbojevic
      2: J Taufua
      3: D Walker (gk)
      4: B Lee
      5: D Mead
      6: B Green
      7: D Cherry-Evans (c)
      8: D Lussick
      9: A Koroisau
      10: N Myles
      11: M Taupau
      12: J Buhrer (vc)
      13. J Trbojevic (c)

      14: M Parcell
      15: A Fonua-Blake
      16: L Knight
      17: S Vave

      18. M Wright
      19. W Meehan
      20. B Williame
      21. L Brown

      Obviously we will probably sign some other depth players but that is all we have ATM. Green is a must, Koroisau I think by the end of the year will be a better option at 9, Lee as our power winger. Taufua to get re signed i think he will work on those kick takes. That team is a top 8 side with some good luck with injuries and some good coaching. I think we should save a lot of our money for some really good forwards and re signing the turbos. Next year we should sign a good prop (JWH), a centre (Gutherson or Whare), And a backrower or bench forward (Manu Ma'u or Vaughan)
       
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    • maxta

      maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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      Matai won't be there 2017 & the players Disco named are spot on...the theory of buying the best of the worst is a poor option...we all want instant results, but with Disco's realistic team & with minimal injury...be very competitive in 2017, with 2018 serious contenders.
      I rate Taufua who is missing, but can understand concern due to errors, particularly under the high ball...still a power runner who would look far better with some quality ball to show his ability.
       
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      • Turbo

        Turbo Well-Known Member

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        Yes but I would prefer Skivvi there next year despite his injuries, who do you replace him with? Maybe Whare if we could get him to get out of his panthers contract for a first grade spot? Or maybe Lee to centre and wright or Williame on the wing. And I agree with the comment on it being a competitive side, it's top 8 Quilty just need things to go our way, if we get a Quality prop and centre for 2018 we will be in the hunt.
         
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        • Turbo

          Turbo Well-Known Member

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          And yes there is more to a player than one flaw, you take out his problems under the high ball he is still one of the best wingers in the comp. I'd like to see how semi would cope having everything down his edge and having as much pressure as Jorge has on him.
           
        • maxta

          maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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          Tough to find the Matai centre replacement, always felt Taufua there would be great attack wise & like Matai...up & in to belt them defensively...provided he can handle decision making 1 in.... Plus- no more bomb scares!! OR ... If Lee does make the Sea change, is a strong young centre who played juniors at centre & could be suprisingly good.....
          Yes a prop also agree but the 5/8 dilemma still there....this Green option on the cheap just may work till the Taylor / Bird option is there come 2018.
           
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          • nightster

            nightster grumpy old bastard Premium Member

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            Tom Turbo
             
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            • Loobs

              Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

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              Have you seen other wingers in the comp, because the Jorge of the past few years is not one of the best.

              His ability to run the ball back hard occasionally does not negate the massive flaws in his game.

              Also the reason he sees so much work is because he is a known liability.
               
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              • Mr Manly 007

                Mr Manly 007 Active Member

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                Ethan Lowe and Luke Lewis as edge back rowers : strong in D : with good mobility .
                 
              • Loobs

                Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

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                I think they'll try to have Matai retire on medical grounds which is probably the best thing for his long term health plus he still gets paid.
                 
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                • Mitch

                  Mitch Well-Known Member

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                  100% agree mate. There has to be patience with recruitment given the quality that is on the market now is nowhere near that of what will be on the market next year with the rise in salary cap at the end of 2017.
                   
                • Clay

                  Clay Well-Known Member

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                  With Lyon confirmed and Matai, Snake heavily linked to leaving.
                  A backline of
                  Turbo
                  Mead
                  Walker
                  Whare
                  Lee
                  Green
                  DCE

                  To me seems Highley possible and would have to improve our cap situation.
                  I can't see anyone of those new players coming close in cap value to those that are leaving considering Manly known to backend contracts.

                  This would leave players such as wright and Williame as depth
                   
                • Turbo

                  Turbo Well-Known Member

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                  Mead, Lee and Green would all take snakes 650k and Matai and Lyons money could be saved for a big forward and re signing the Turbos
                   
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                  • Andrew..

                    Andrew.. Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                    I worry that Whare is fairly injury prone. He is very talented but spends heaps of time on the sideline.
                    Wished we'd held on to Gutherson, I think he could of held down a permanent spot and it always feels good to know you've supported a local junior. Hopefully he finds his way home someday.
                     
                  • Fluffy

                    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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                    We should get hoppa back

                    Should be cheap as he doesn't play on Sundays but neither do we so wont be an issue
                     
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                    • pjayz

                      pjayz Well-Known Member Premium Member

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                      If we brought him back we would go from 7 Monday night games to 24 Sunday Arvo games overnight.
                       
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                      • Fluffy

                        Fluffy Well-Known Member

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                      • The Who

                        The Who Well-Known Member

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                        I think the premise of this thread is misguided. It starts off saying that we already have a strong squad of players. The problem is keeping them on the field.
                        Therefore, I'd suggest that our priority is having a team of conditioners and medicos that can minimise injuries. And, I'm sure, they would be on a salary far less than many of those players nominated earlier to be recruited.
                         
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                        • MWSE

                          MWSE Well-Known Member

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                          Api is really growing into a decent running half. He deserves a shot for the rest of the year.
                           

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