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Anthony Seibold is the Sea Eagles new Minister for Defence

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By SeaEagleRock8 on Nov 28, 2015 at 7:44 AM
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    Anthony Seibold is the Sea Eagles new Minister for Defence
    November 24, 2015 4:10pm
    Jon GeddesManly Daily

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    ANTHONY Seibold is the man set to take the Sea Eagles into the eye of the Storm next season.

    Manly’s new assistant coach, who will be in charge of the team’s defensive structures, has joined the club after four seasons working under Craig Bellamy at Melbourne.

    Seibold said that Manly’s defence has to be a priority in the build-up to the 2016 campaign, along with an emphasis on mental toughness.

    “In a lot of the key performance indicators for the 2015 season, Manly were in the bottom eight with regards to our defensive actions,’’ Seibold said.

    “We need to work really hard on our defence during the pre-season.”

    He said some new structures have been put in place that will take time for the players to adjust to.

    “We need to put the players under some duress during the pre-season, whether that be with repeat effort conditioning or in the first contact,’’ he said.

    Prior to becoming a coach Seibold played in the NRL with Brisbane and Canberra before having stints at the London Broncos and Hull Kingston Rovers in Super League.

    “I was very selective in choosing who I wanted to be my assistants and one thing I wanted was for someone to come out of a system that was very strong defensively,’’ Manly head coach Trent Barrett said.

    “He is very confident with the contact and he has got some really good philosophies with what he does.”

    Barrett said every team that has won the NRL premiership for the past five to 10 years has been the best defensive side, with the probable exception being the 2005 Wests Tigers.

    “You really need to base your game around your defence. I know we can attack, that won’t be a problem, but we have got to stop them as well. That’s Anthony’s role.”

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ster-for-defence/story-fngr8iii-1227621245603
     
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    Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by SeaEagleRock8, Nov 28, 2015.

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        SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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        All our big signings won't count for much if they aren't organised, but one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to a big 2016 season is I think the squad will be pumped, highly motivated and very well drilled. 'Sea Eagle Seibold' seems to be a key part of the plan, I sure hope he delivers.
         
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        • SeaEagle9413

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          Defence wins Premierships. Simple as that! Manly have made defence their number one priority!

          http://www.seaeagles.com.au/news/2015/11/24/defence_the_main_foc.html

          Our defence early last season was atrocious. I'm so glad they have finally come to their senses. If we are able to be one of the most defensive teams in 2016 who knows where we will finish! Seibold has a lot of work to do.

          Basically, we must play defensively like Roosters (2013) and Broncos (2015)
           
        • PONTIAN SEA EAGLE

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          Will he introduce all of storms wrestling techniques.
           
        • niccipops

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          Does that mean he'll Stop the Boats?:p
           
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          • wombatgc

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            If his past experiance is anything to go by, looks an astute addition. Just as long as he doesn't introduce wrestle mania Bellamy style.
             
          • Ryan

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            The one's coming up Parramatta River with Foran, Watmough, Gutherson, Hasson, Hopoate & David Gower on them.
             
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            • Rex

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              It's a turn back policy we'll all be on board with.
               
            • Technical Coach

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              It annoys me big time when the overly simplistic theory of "Defence wins premierships/games" is thrown around like it is the be all and end all of winning.

              No matter how good your defence is the pressure a team puts on itself by not having good consistent go forward, not winning field position be it through go forward or "attacking defence", how many extra tackle sets in the wrong area of the field and not converting or creating try scoring opportunities will all put pressure on the defence be it through fatigue or always defending in the red zone.

              Good line bending, hole creating go forward spreads will fatigue the opposition taking pressure off the defence as the opposition is more fatigued and less sharp with the ball.

              Yes defence matters but seeking to improve our defence by just looking at our defence is an overly simplistic approach, you can say the same thing generally that teams with the best attack win premierships. Both elements tend to feed off each other but i'm more inclined to think a better attack and go forward takes pressure off the defence while a good defence just keeps you in games for the chance to win a game.
               
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              • Fibro Eagle

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                Great points T C
                So many times in 2015 we put our defence under pressure by poor field position by not making the yards up in the middle a lot of the time we had to kick long and if we didnt have a good chase the team was defending in our own 1/2 many a time , which in turn put us under the pump
                 
              • Freagle

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                It all comes back to the question... Why the hell did we get rid of Georgie Rose? Just the man you need when you're ten from your own line and getting nowhere! He was always good for 25 metres every carry!
                 
              • Snake

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                I think NRL coaches understand this, but they place an emphasis on defence because so much of it comes down to attitude. If it was just about fatigue and the build up of pressure, you wouldn't see points scored in the first half of football matches; attitude is still vitally important and why NRL coaches harp on about defence all the time. The structures employed by all 16 clubs are identical, but if you can find an edge through attitude, you're going to strengthen this area of your game.

                Of course within the structure, you have variables like "first up contact" and "wrestling" etc. but those extra efforts are linked to attitude as much as technique as well.
                 
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                • Chip and Chase

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                  It's going to be hard to stomach if he brings in the cynical Melbourne defensive style. It may be effective but it is certainly hard to watch as a fan. I really hope we don't become another Wrestlemania franchise.
                   
                • Technical Coach

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                  I'm not saying it is all about fatigue and build up of pressure I'm saying there is more to having a good defence than actually just looking at everything from a defence perspective.

                  I do agree that you can see how good the all round attitude is through the level of commitment in defence and all the 1%'s coaches like to see that. No matter how good the attitude is if you are getting bent back, ripped through the middle, or moved around creating space with well rehearsed go forward sets most defences will break.

                  Take Melb for example the best in the wrestle and slowing down tactics but i would not call Melb technically sound in their defensive structures for a loooong time. Once the slowing down element of Melb's defence is defeated or less effective (and it happens more so as the years go by from their peak) there is many holes created with simple well rehearsed plays. (we can improve in the wrestle that is for sure and it will help)

                  Hasler in 08 improved Manly's power game along with ball movement in each set to win the tackle impact and reduce the numbers in tackles through ball movement. Manly had a good mix of being the second best wrestle team but combined this with explosive defence to win the initial contact, a two pronged approach in achieving slow play the balls.(obvious last year we were soft in defence, less aggressive and hardly ever winning the initial contact)
                   
                • Snake

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                  Last year the Bulldogs forward pack threw more passes (not offloads) than any other side in the competition and the Roosters just bumped the ball up the middle. The Roosters were the best defensive side in the league and the Dogs were the worst of all the top 8 sides. Wayne Bennett once said that Rugby League is a simple game...tackle hard, run hard and hold onto the ball.

                  I can see your angle and I certainly agree that attack has some bearing on defence, but I share the opinion of top NRL coaches that constantly harp on about getting the defence right, and the rest will take care of itself.
                   
                • Rex

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                  How I understand some relationships between attack & defence & effort currently:

                  1. Attack is built on strategy and creativity. Individual skills dominate. Defence on team structures and attitudes.Weak links are the key.

                  2. Hitups allow the attack to get a breather, so effort is reduced and spasmodic. And creativity needs a cool, still mind, with too much effort getting in the way.

                  3. In defence, everyone in the straight line moves up and back every single play. Aerobic fitness is challenged - and effort is needed to keep with the pace.

                  4. Very different skills and strategies in attack and defence (gives the need for specialist coaches). But defence and attack successes are strongly interconnected. Put the opposition defence under pressure and they lose the energy, possession and position for their set. Nullify the opposition attack and we get a leg-up for our set. This is why teams with better attacks usually have better defences, and vice versa.
                   
                • Technical Coach

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                  Using the Bulldogs is a poor example, first of all their halves are average at best, their forwards for most of the last few years and even this year are on the slow fat lumbering side and their ball movement between the forwards has basically been the same the last few years (second man interchange plays to draw in the middle edges to suck the centres in early----which has been tweaked a little offering more first man lead flat plays as an option)

                  Comparing the variety of ball playing options the Bulldogs have to move the defence around to what Manly have had in the past the Bulldogs have basically low quality options.(Foran one side and through the middle DCE, Glenn Stewart, Lyon on the other along with improved ballplaying through the forwards is more varied than what the Dogs have to offer)

                  How Manly turned Melb inside out in the 08 GF showed the way for many other clubs to tackle the wrestle and gang tackle effectiveness of Melb along with adding size and grunt.

                  The teams of the last few years who have added the right mix of explosive punch and simple direct plays have improved their attacking output without even having to be overly creative in attack taking pressure off the halves and generating space out wide when required.

                  The consistent direct go forward helped in establishing good field position at the end of each set and more likely to dominate the first two tackles in defence in a more dominant field position.

                  The Cowboys improved their go forward with more simple direct punch, better drilled than the past along with the attack plus defence benefited off this good platform---confidence breeds confidence in all areas.

                  Remove one or two quality power forwards from the depth of a club and you come back to the field real fast if you don't have expansive creative ball playing go forward structures.(See Roosters and Souths last year----yes a drop in attitude especially with Souths did not help either)

                  Tony Williams when he first entered first grade on the wing had the right physique to be a power forward, now he is a fat lazy lumbering type more and more each day. Combine the above with his soft overall attitude and you have a waste of size that the Bulldogs paid overs for---they have too many forwards with the wrong physique.

                  Manly suffered the same under Hasler more so in some years than others(getting run down often was evidence of this) only our expansive ball playing each set and our quality backline covered up our poor forward depth for the most part.

                  Consistent punch in go forward and smart aggression in defence is the key platform to work off and if the attitude is right the defence will follow, only needing good structures and technique to tweak the last 20% of improvements.

                  Under Hasler Manly had explosive moments especially after stoppages of play or at the start of each half where Manly raised the intensity in the hope of generating a good return with points scoring quickly then revert back to the grind once we would inevitably fatigue.(good attitude under high fatigue is what set us apart and kept our defence in good order but we were right on the edge of hitting the wall if things did not go our way)
                   
                • SeaEagleRock8

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                  I haven't studied this but I feel Manly concede most tries when the opposition has the ball, but only a few when we have the ball.
                   
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                  • Technical Coach

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                    People tend to forget go forward comes under attack, attack is not just about points scored or chances we create.

                    The quality, consistency, punch/explosiveness along with well structured spread options in go forward sets is the most important element combine that with a good attitude and you will have a half decent defence and a good winning percentage.
                     
                  • Technical Coach

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                    Well if you "haven't studied this" you are not entitled to an opinion until you grasp the finer points lol.(delete the lol so i sound TC Robotic in line with my online personality)
                     

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