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Turning points and thoughts

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Berkeley_Eagle, Mar 23, 2008.

  1. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    *19min: Watmough ruled being inside the 10 metres from the kick even though he had no involvement at all in the play
    *39min: Jamie Lyon panics and kicks the ball 10 rows into the Grandstand after a great play from Menzies,Bani and Orford
    *52min: Manly had a try dissallowed after bani scored in the corner then Manly get a penalty, the ref could have extended the advantage
    *64min:Cuthbo bad read lets a knight stroll past him and Lyon to make it 12 - 6
    *77min:Josh Perry (STUPID,STUPID,STUPID) leading 12-6 with 3 min to go and he headbutts Wicks to give the knights a penalty 20 metres out, we win that scrum and kick we should win

    Just heard Des on the news say we just gave 2 comp points away

    Des will be forced to make changes
    Vaealiki didn't come back after HT not sure why, Perry will be cited

    Hall or Wells in for Perry
    Lyon to centre and BLOOD the Kid Foran from the under 20'
     
  2. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Changes I would want Des to try for next week

    01.Stewart
    02.Bani
    03.Bell
    04.LYON
    05.Robertson
    06.FORAN
    07.Orford
    08.Kite
    09.Ballin
    10.King
    11.Watmough
    12.Stewart
    13.Menzies

    14.Hall
    15.Cuthbertson
    16.Le Strange
    17.Wells
    18.Mauro

    so drop Williamson,Perry (suspended),Bryant,Vaealiki
     
  3. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The Watmough disallowed try was fair enough. It's just stupidity on the part of Watmough for not staying outside the 10m when he had to know he was in front of the kicker (by about 3 or 4m by my guess). So no excuses there

    Same with Bani try, I thought the video ref got it right. It wasn't a case of when the advantage should have been played because there were two infringements in the movement. So going back to the original strip penalty was correct IMO.

    Agree on Lyon and Perry though. WTF Lyon was thinking (or not thinking more to the point) I do not know. As for Perry he needs a good kick up the backside for a brain explosion like that when we are in the lead and in possession. I suspect he'll get a rest courtesy of the judiciary anyway
     
  4. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Perry will get off on a technicality. He wasn't looking at Wicks. He was just forming the scrum (or that is what they will say).
    Willow has to go.
    Lyon back to centre.
    Vaeliki back to UK.
    Hall in for Slow-Mo
     
  5. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    :D I was just gonna put him back to PL
     
  6. willstyles

    willstyles Active Member

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    That doesn't sit well with me. If Choc was inside the ten metres it was by inches, and he clearly had no affect on the play and wasn't attempting to either. He just f*cking stood there.

    Technically, by the absolute letter of the law, it was perhaps a correct decision (but even then....only just), but f*ck me dead it's a stupid bloody law.
     
  7. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It's hard to judge but I reckon it was more than a few inches, look at the 10m grid on the ground and the ball was spilt on our side of their 20m line and Choc was on or past (Newcastle side of) the 30m line. Granted he was off to the left a bit but I still reckon he was inside 10m.

    He might not have affected the play at the point where the ball landed but he decided to back up Ballin on the inside after he took the ball so he did participate in the play as such.

    Frustrating, but they have been pretty consistent on this rule over the last few seasons and generally apply it to the letter of the law. Anyway that wasn't the reason we lost the game.
     
  8. willstyles

    willstyles Active Member

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    Fair, fair. Who cares, it's a sh*t rule when applied like it was last night, and you're right - it wasn't the reason we lost. We had plenty of chances to win the game. But I'd still liked for it to have been a try so that at least we could have said that we played horribly but managed to come away with the two points.
     
  9. deadlyeagle

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    supposedly Vaeleki was seeing double vision at half time and that is why they took him off. Perry will be out for a couple of weeks if he gets fined.

    so IF vaeleki is out i wonder who they are going to replace him with. Maybe Lyon in the centres or Beaver who knows.

    But it will probably be the Koala in the PL who comes to the centres and Lyon stays at 5/8. I'm beginning to wonder why we paid 400 odd k for this "gun" player who i think a player of around the value of 200k could have easily filled, that extra 200 spare could have saved monas or burns even.

    I'm not going to be too pessimistic it is only the 2 game.
     
  10. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Just finished DL last nites game and here is
    the Lyon kick
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  11. SF08

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    BE, from what I've seen of Kieran Foran, he's still a year, if not two away from first grade. I don't want to blood him too early when he's clearly not ready yet.
     
  12. Jethro

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    Not having seen the original footage of the incident, it's hard to tell with those pictures whether the ball was way over Bani's head or if it was a mile in front of him. If it was way in front of him then obviously he just mis-timed Bani's run or that Bani wasn't expecting it. If it was way over his head then he deserves a boot up the backside.
     
  13. deadlyeagle

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    i watched the game and i thought i was a poor kick and over his head at the time, but i my be wrong.
     
  14. willstyles

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    Definitely went over Bani's head. It was a poor kick, but the right option. It showed me that finally Lyon is at least THINKING like a five-eighth. Last year Lyon would've either chucked a hospital pass to Bell or stepped inside and been tackled. His kicking game is sh*t, but at least he is trying. He is working with a kicking coach so that will improve over time.

    That said, I've had 24 hours to calm down about it. At the time I wasn't impressed with the kick at all....
     
  15. Darren

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    sorry BE, foran is miles too young, I read that he could still be playing sg ball, he's built like burns, but bit leaner, they would run big boppers at him all day

    has to be jason wells, time to play him, he can kick a ball a long way
     
  16. ads

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    I thought Lyon's kick was the right option. He just didn't have the skill/finesse to carry it out.

    My impression at the time was that their centre would have tackled Bell before he could pass or he would have crabbed had the ball gone through the hands. If the kick goes to Bani its an easy try.
     
  17. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I agree, that kick was the right option & well spotted by Jamie. The execution was bad but that wouldn't matter if he was trying more stuff like that becase the odd one would come off right.

    It was an improvement from Lyon from the previous week.
     
  18. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Yep i thought it was the right option as well, hands would have negated the space that Bani had, but execution wasn't good.

    If it had have come off, maybe it would have been the start of the confidence he needs to get going
     
  19. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    i said the same thing at the game, right option, lack of skill
     
  20. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    In the first half Bell's blindside play on the fifth should have been a try, but he couldn't hold it. Those things you just have to hold.
     

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