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Tigers v Dragons

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Kiwi Eagle, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Interesting saga this one involving Moltzen, looks set to get messy. This is a pretty good spray given from the Saints !

    Statement From Dragons CEO Peter Doust: Tim Moltzen Signing Facts & Update
    13/10/2011 10:29:41 AM

    St George Illawarra Dragons CEO Peter Doust On Wednesday issued the following regarding the signing of Tim Moltzen:

    On July 8 this year, the Dragons publicly announced that we had agreed to terms with Tim Moltzen for three years beginning in 2012. On this day, Stephen Humphries telephoned me to express his dissatisfaction with the timing of our announcement.

    Whilst I listened to his comments on the timing, it was certainly clear to me from our conversation that the Wests Tigers intended to release Tim Moltzen from the final year of his contract with their Club.

    Whilst Stephen continues to state publicly that he has never formalized the release of Tim Moltzen, Tim’s Manager Martin Tauber advised us on a number of occasions that the release was “no issue”.

    Given these expressions of intent that we received, in good faith, we included Tim Moltzen as part of our roster and planning for 2012 and provided a three year contract which Tim Moltzen and Martin Tauber signed on July 12.

    On the same day that Stephen expressed his frustration (July 8) that our game day announcement of Tim's signing was an issue, Tigers Coach Tim Sheens addressed this situation in his post-game press conference, denying it was a distraction. Sheens said ‘The boys were aware that Timmy was moving on …”

    Tim’s Manager Martin Tauber has also publicly stated in various media channels that Stephen Humphries had verbally agreed to a release for Tim. Going even further to say “There is no issue.. He (Tim) will be at the Dragons next year” (July 12).

    Tim Moltzen himself discussed his move to the Dragons publicly “It’s a weight off my shoulders … I don’t have to worry about the issue any more. It’s put to bed and my future is decided” (August 2).

    Tigers five-eighth Benji Marshall, who shares a house with Tim Moltzen, is also on the public record acknowledging that Tim would be moving on at the end of the season. “He’s flying for us. He’s a big loss for the club, a massive loss. I’m devastated he’s going, especially the way he’s been playing. That’s rugby league” (Sept 12).

    The Dragons have documentation from our meetings and discussions with Martin Tauber and Tim Moltzen where all arrangements in relation to the contract for Tim Moltzen were discussed. Martin also discussed the terms arranged with Wests Tigers regarding Tim’s “Deed of Release”.

    Tim Moltzen has met with our incoming Head Coach Stephen Price where a number of matters were discussed including the fact that Tim had indicated that he would be moving to Wollongong.

    It is quite obvious that some circumstances at the Wests Tigers have changed in recent times, otherwise why only now three months later are we made aware that there is an issue?

    We believe there are still a lot of unanswered questions in relation to this issue.

    It is accurate to note that this contract is yet to be registered by the NRL, as we have been waiting for the formality of the receipt of the official “Deed of Release” from the Wests Tigers. Martin Tauber had been chasing this and even indicated that he thought that this had already been completed by the Wests Tigers.

    On September 27 the Tauber Management Group emailed the Dragons to enquire if we were yet to receive the official release from the Wests Tigers stating “… if not, please respond by return email and I will follow-up for you”.

    In terms of the registration of a “Deed of Release”, in my some 11 years as CEO of the Dragons such arrangements have always been considered a formality and a situation such as this has never previously presented.

    Furthermore I strongly believe that the game generally, athletes and their Managers have not been keen to formalize “Deeds of Release” without prospective contract arrangements in place.

    Admittedly if we did have the signed release from the Wests Tigers then we would not be in this situation.

    However, we strongly believe this matter should be judged on the principles of intent and actions arising in good faith.

    Interestingly, at present, we are yet to formally sign the “Deeds of Release” for Darius Boyd and Ratu Peni Tagive but they are all moving on to other Clubs for next season because that is our intentions and verbal agreements were made with the players and their Managers.

    If things were to suddenly change at our Club, as they appear to have for the Wests Tigers, we would not be reconsidering our position as we would stand by our conversations, assurances and undertakings that our Club had given to these players and their Managers, who at present are still officially contracted to the Dragons for 2012. In our opinion, that is not the right thing to do for any of the parties concerned.

    The Dragons had not been approached by Tim Moltzen, Martin Tauber or the Wests Tigers to suggest that there was an issue with the three year Dragons contract that had been signed on July 12.

    Our suspicions were raised earlier last week when both Martin Tauber and Tim Moltzen did not return phone calls to Dragons staff and Tim also failed to front for a pre-arranged meeting prior to his departure for an end of season overseas trip with other Wests Tigers players.

    On October 6 Martin Tauber finally returned calls, where he indicated that he does not wish to meet Dragons staff in an attempt to resolve the issue and that it is something that needs to be sorted out between the two Clubs.

    So given, the NRL have not yet registered Tim Moltzen’s signed Dragons contract for 2012-2014, we have been investigating our legal position over the past days. Certainly some sections within the NRL rules are worth exploring in protecting the Dragons’ interests.

    Furthermore we have been in daily contact with Wests Tigers Management since last Tuesday ensuring they understood our “good faith” actions throughout negotiations with Tim and his Manager and were encouraged to believe that the release would be forthcoming.

    Public comments made by Wests Tigers CEO Stephen Humphries on Monday, October 10 confirmed that position,

    “The way that it is likely to play out is that he will be going to the Dragons. We don’t want to stretch it out.

    “We will have a conversation with them in the next few days about it, but we have been working on the assumption that he won’t be here next season”.

    Now today, instead of confirmation of the official release that we were encouraged to believe would happen, we have been informed by Wests Tigers that they wish to enter into further discussions with us which we believe will prolong the issue unreasonably.

    It is essential that we act to conclude the profile of our playing roster for 2012 as soon as possible.

    Clearly this is not something that we have been able to resolve with the Wests Tigers and we will now continue to press our contractual position in relation to Tim Moltzen and his Manager’s intentions for the 2012 season and beyond by formally referring the matter to the NRL.

    We believe such circumstances are not in the best interests of the game and our club could be seriously disadvantaged at this late stage with our 2012 pre-season scheduled to start in just a matter of weeks
     
  2. Brookvale

    Brookvale Well-Known Member

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    from one choking to club to another. little wonder the kid can't make up his mind
     
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  3. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What a bizarre press release. And we thought we had problems with management. I got half way through before deciding nothing Doust could say from here on would pursuade me he is not a fool. They don't call it the silly season for nothing.
     
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  4. Manly til i die

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    It appears as though everything Doust said is right and makes sense. It also looks like Moltzen wants to stay at the Tigers. I can see this dragging on, but it looks like he will be a Dragon next year, even if he dosent want to be. Hope he does go to Dragons....
     
  5. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The Tigers were quite happy to release Moltzen, that was until Lui decided to stick his mits up again

    I hope the Dragons win this battle
     
  6. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    If you sign a player who is already contracted to another club you do so at your own risk.

    And what is the point of issuing a statement? Does he want a referendum on the topic?
     
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  7. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The statement is basically to state their side of things and inform the various media outlets that the matter has how been referred to the NRL I guess
     
  8. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    NRL player agents ... where the hell is the IC?
     
  9. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

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    What about that Lui guy?

    He's got to be down. Who bashes their own girlfriend in the face? It's like keying your own car.
     
  10. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The funny thing was I was browsing another forum and after the Tigers were knocked out, somebody made the joke "somebody take Luis mrs away until mad Monday is done" and then next day the headlines came out again. Unbelievable
     
  11. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I must be missing something here. So anyone can sign a player who is already contracted to another club and the convention is that the current club has to roll over and sign a release ... What is the point of having players under contract? Like I said, I must be missing something here.
     
  12. eagleE

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    That's what I've been thinking all along. Tigers have every intention on scking Lui. They just cant do it now as it will backfire in their faces. Moltzen was to be his replacement at half. Tigers are so stupid. Even as a Manly supporter I thought Tigers had all intentions to release Moltzen if he found another club. The problem is, you give your word as a man, you should honour your word and be man.
     
  13. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Moltzen and his manager were allowed to talk elsewhere and were told he would have the release, they did a deal, both parties announced it, now that the situation at the club gas changed, the Tigers are playing a dirty game saying that they haven't officially released him

     
  14. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

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    The Tigers agreed to release him. Then Lui decided to be a dick, the Tigers realised they needed a halfback so they reneged.
     
  15. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    So are you saying they told everyone they were going to release him before he agreed to terms with Illawarra? Or only after it was presented to them as a fait accompli?[hr]
    Ok kiwi & volley seem to have answered my question. So the Tiges reneged ... tsk tsk.
    It's still amusing to watch it unfold though!
     
  16. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

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    Haha yeah? Eerie prediction.
     

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