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Those Imfamous KPI's exposed Manly to approach the ARLC to get Foran to stay in 2013

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Cameron, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

    +662 / 35
    Eagles to obstruct a Foran defection
    Adrian Proszenko
    April 22, 2012

    Kieran Foran … centre of the dispute. Photo: Getty Images
    MANLY officials are considering asking the ARLC not to register Kieran Foran's contract should he sign with Canterbury as the tensions between the bitter rivals escalate in the lead-up to Friday night's grudge match.

    The Sun-Herald can reveal Sea Eagles powerbrokers sought legal advice during the week regarding their deal with Foran, who has a get-out clause in his contract. The clause has been activated by Des Hasler's defection to Belmore, making him a free agent. However, Manly will argue it should be rendered null and void as they believe Hasler breached his own contract in his acrimonious departure from the premiers.

    The Sea Eagles believe Hasler isn't entitled to further benefit from a move they claim is unlawful. If upheld, that would mean the star Kiwi playmaker would be obliged to remain with Manly.

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    The development has the potential to create another contract controversy similar to the tug of war between the Tigers and the Dragons for Tim Moltzen.

    Foran is torn between remaining at the club or rejoining Hasler, who helped transform him into one of the game's best players. In a further twist, Manly coach Geoff Toovey said Foran - along with Brett and Glenn Stewart - are a strong chance of returning for the ANZ Stadium clash.

    ''We won't make the decision till earlier in the week but we're hoping the guys who have been out for a while will be back,'' Toovey said. ''Those injuries have been around for a few weeks so we need to make sure they're right and we give them as much time as possible to get over them.''

    With George Rose a chance of replacing the suspended Darcy Lussick, up to 13 of the 17 players Hasler coached in last year's grand final team could be available to take on their old mentor.

    Should Manly's legal challenge be successful, Foran is the only player affected. Another representative star, Tony Williams, is a free agent after signing a two-year deal with an option in his favour. While Brett Stewart has a clause in his deal allowing him to leave if Hasler does, he is off contract at the end of the year anyway.

    The rumour mill is in overdrive that Foran has already signed with Canterbury, but his manager denied a deal had been done. ''Kieran's contract circumstances have been well documented,'' said player agent George Mimis. ''At an appropriate time, when he's comfortable, he'll make a decision about his future.''

    The Sea Eagles feel they have done everything possible to keep him, including re-signing halves partner Daly Cherry-Evans, offering Andrew Johns a halves mentoring role and tabling a lucrative deal. Other Manly stars on the open market include Lussick, Steve Matai and Matt Ballin.

    Toovey was hopeful the club could retain the majority of them. ''Nothing to divulge at this stage,'' he said. ''Like everyone, we hope those matters are concluded sooner rather than later. We're working hard and we're a good chance of retaining the majority.''

    Meanwhile, Manly forward Anthony Watmough fired the first barb in the lead-up to Friday's grudge match. ''Dessie will be stressing,'' Watmough said yesterday. ''We'll leave him to stress and hopefully we'll let him stress them out. So it will be good for us.''

    Pressed on whether there was something to prove to his old coach, he offered: ''Definitely not. We've gone our way, he's gone his way. It's just a matter of moving on and whoever plays the better footy wins.''

    The Sun-Herald revealed in February that Manly were considering legal action against Hasler for breach of contract. That still remains a possibility, with solicitor Tim Unsworth - the son of former premier and Manly board member Barrie - looking into the matter.

    After news broke of Hasler's defection, the dual premiership-winning coach claimed he could have earned more money by staying. However, it is understood the Canterbury deal he accepted was more attractive than the highest Sea Eagles offer. And while Manly directors were panned for including key performances indicators in his contract, predominantly these revolved around spending budgets - and similar KPIs were inserted into his Bulldogs deal.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/eagles-to-obstruct-a-foran-defection-20120421-1xdoz.html#ixzz1sgcRSwX9

    The bold say it all really and the Kpi's at manly if meet would have meant a financial bonus for him.
  2. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Meh....Dessie went onto greener pastures.
    Lets all move on. Less focus on all that dribble, and more on winning under Toovey would be good.

    Toovey has a 6 loss, 3 win record as a professional coach, and defense that leaks worse than me after a big night out.

    We need to look at that.
  3. SwornEagle

    SwornEagle Well-Known Member

    +178 / 3
    Greener pastures aye Ryan? You know that green dye pesticide fades out over time and you're left with the true grass underneath.
  4. effnic

    effnic Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +215 / 6
    Here we go again. Ffs.
  5. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +2,099 / 13
    There is no get out clause any more FMD these journos are morons
  6. simz

    simz Member

    +15 / 0
    Manly should have suspended hasler so he had to sit out the year and force him to have no communication with any dog officials or manly players. We would not be in this mess that we are in at the moment if they would have been successful with this.
  7. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

    +466 / 6
    Toovey's 3/3 record is pretty good when you consider the scheduling and 4 internationals missing.
  8. WAMF

    WAMF Well-Known Member

    +408 / 0
    Trust Ryan to count trial games that mean jack.
  9. Central Coast Eagle

    Central Coast Eagle Active Member

    +108 / 2
    It's going to be a very long week.......................
  10. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

    +507 / 20
    So sick of this and why would we keep someone who wants to leave? Do the journo's think?
  11. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +6,639 / 118
  12. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

    +5,718 / 267
    Sorry, should have said $$$ wise.
  13. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +8,886 / 99
    Its actually 3/4 but I take your point and totally agree.

    My worry about this story is that if they deem the get out clause can't be activated because Hasler left unlawfully, then Foran may say he would never have re-signed with Manly in the first place if he couldn't have the clause inserted, and may seek to have his contract with Manly deemed null and void.
  14. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

    +466 / 6
    The devil may be in the detail of the sequence of events. Emails may show Greenberg enticing Hasler to break contract (and by default any player activating a get out clause is a knock-on from the first breach of commercial law). However, the enticement may have happened before Hasler indicated he would take up the option of a further year with Manly. This might complicate things. In the end Hasler was sacked.
  15. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +8,886 / 99
    Mate, didn't you know that if Manly had performed better in the 2008 trials they would have won The Grand Final 60-0 instead of 40-0?
  16. niccipops

    niccipops un echidna spillo mia bevanda Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +5,437 / 49
    Agree Darren. Anyone who doesn't want to bleed for the Sea Eagles can be shown the door.
    We could be in for some tough times, but we'll come out stronger over time because we are the Manly Sea Eagles and we overcome adversity.
    Foz and any other takers can car-pool with Dessie, probably in a Greenberg funded limo.
  17. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +5,613 / 45
    I don't think the our argument is very strong. Even if they can prove Des breached his contract a Court won't punish Foran as an innocent third party. Best case scenario (unlikely in my view) is that they could stop the Dogs from signing him, but the get out clause will certainly stand so he could go to another club (and probably would if we are trying to force him to stay against his will).
  18. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +6,639 / 118
    Wouldn't it just depend on the wording of Foran's contract? If the condition says 'if Des isn't coach' then I can't see how the reason he's not coach would matter.

    As others have said, it doesn't seem very smart to threaten a player with a legal technicality at a time when you are trying to entice them stay of their own free will.
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    ERNIE FOR NO7 Active Member

    +80 / 1
    Agree with you on both points.

    Also if Kieran has signed with the Dogs it shows his relationship with Hasler is strong and he isnt going to be a happy contented player and it will effect his 2012 season.

    Further, Manly will assume the $$ for Foran contract are committed and if they are unsuccessful lose out on retaining other players.

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