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Salary Cap Ssystem

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Ralphie, Jul 28, 2015.

  1. Ralphie

    Ralphie Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    With the latest Salary Cap rorting stories about Parra and Nth Qld it got me to thinking about a Salary Cap system that can’t be rorted. Below is what I have come up with.

    1. All players are valued for Salary Cap purposes by the Player Valuation Committee (PVC).
    2. The PVC comprises 16 members with 1 member appointed by each club.
    3. Every player is valued 6 months prior to the expiration of their current contract and that valuation will be used for year 1 of their next contract. Subsequent years are indexed to changes to the value of the salary cap.
    4. A player is valued by each member of the committee independently on the basis of what their club would pay for that player as fair market value. That valuation is submitted to the NRL.
    5. The NRL drops the 4 highest and the 4 lowest valuations and takes the average of the remaining 8 valuations.
    6. Long serving players of 10 years for one club are exempt 100% from the calculation.
    7. Same allowances as now for Marquee players.
    8. 10% discount on any player that has come through your junior system.
    9. No limit on what clubs can actually pay players.

    Sure this means the wealthiest clubs can still get the best players in some positions, but not all positions and will stop clubs like Brisbane from understating the values across all players by using 3rd party payments.

    Some refinement may be needed but it has to be better than what we have now.
     
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  2. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    9. No limit on what clubs can actually pay players.

    But, that's why the NRL have to bail out Clubs@:cool:
     
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  3. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    That's a tough one Ralphie. I'm not sure if our market is big enough, but I really like the NHL's contract system, what with rookie contracts, restricted free agents, offer sheets, trade periods & deadlines, drafts.

    It doesn't leave anything to interpretation.

    Imagine Sterlo rabbits on about a player so much through a season. It steers peoples opinions. I'm SURE Foran is a good player, but Sterlo had people thinking he was the second coming of Jesus, and he's on 1.4 mill PER SEASON - maybe more????

    Yup, a real tough one.
     
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  4. SeaEagle21

    SeaEagle21 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Something has to be done as there are breaches happening every season and really makes the Salary Cap a joke.
     
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  5. Daddycool08

    Daddycool08 Well-Known Member

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    I've already said before there should be a point system.

    Year 1 - 400
    Year 2 - 600
    Year 3 - 800
    Years 4 - 8 1000
    Year 9 - 800
    Year 10 - 600
    Years 11 onwards 400

    Played for Australia - 2000
    Played SOO - 1500
    Played City Country - 1200
    Played other countries NZ, England - 2000
    Played for Samoa, Fiji etc - 1200
    Long serving players get a 25% discount after year 10 with the one club and juniors developed by the club also get a 25% discount on their points.

    The top 25 players cannot add up to more than 25,000.

    For example:

    Foran:

    Base point - 2,000
    Less discount for developed by club (500)
    Manly points 1,500
    Parramatta would be pointed at 2,000 as he played for NZ last year and this year.

    Choc:
    Base point - 1,500
    Less development by club 375 (1,500 *25%)
    Less Long Service 282 (1,500-375) * 25%
    Year 11 (I think) reduction 243
    Manly points 600

    Parramatta cost would be 1,500 points as he played SOO in 2014.

    Pay them what the market can afford with no salary cap and build in an appeals or review system to tweak it if needed and lets get on with the games.

    I know it is not perfect and it may need to tweaking on the edges, but it would seem to be better than what we have a the moment.
     
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  6. SeaEagle21

    SeaEagle21 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Too much logic for the NRL to comprehend, but that is a pretty good starting point mate
     
  7. flying sea eagle

    flying sea eagle Active Member

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    Problem that I see with this system is that weaker clubs or clubs on the precipice of the top 8 or top 4 would purposely overvalue the players of those above them, especially after a premiership, this would make it impossible to build a dynasty and is not reflective of work put in to developing that team.

    I'd add an emissions trading Scheme type system where clubs buy the cap in permits from the NRL, when the value of their players go up, so do their permits, which can be redeemed with the NRL or sold to other clubs who need some extra cap space. You don't pay for all of the permits but must hold a deposit equal to some percentage of the permits owned by a club to ensure clubs do not have liquidity crises similar to the tinkler debacle. This achieves all of the objectives for me, fair for development, and keeps clubs solvent.

    These deposits could be utilised by the NRL as a future fund to invest in projects for the development of the game, which can be given back to clubs at the end of each season with interest. In essence it's setting up a miniature money market for the NRL with exchange settlement accounts similar to what the banks hold with the RBA.
     
  8. Disco

    Disco Well-Known Member

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    I'd imagine the players union would love the above suggestions

    Would never get off the ground

    Publish players earnings, simple as that
     
  9. flying sea eagle

    flying sea eagle Active Member

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  10. sheridanstand78

    sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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    The whole idea of the cap is that is meant to give every club a fair chance of success. Where it falls down is that some clubs have an unfair advantage over others due to their location, whom they are owned by ect.

    In Sydney Manly are amongst 9 other clubs struggling for sponsorship and investment.

    While you have the controlling media organisation running one club and having vested interests in others it will always uneven and unfair.

    My biggest problem is the third party payments. This is where it is so murky.

    I think it is a farce that a club has a budget of 6.8 million of salary cap, yet can pay overs to clubs to firstly retain players and buy them from other clubs.

    When you examine the current clubs we have real issues.

    Gold Coast are right bloody mess, thats inspite having a huge area to operate, a stadium built for them. For some reason it doesnt work there.

    Parramatta are in the same boat, a club where corruption it seems is rampant and there lack of transparency is about to bite them.

    There needs to be an urgent overhaul of the system.

    I agree that players need to be independently valued and at market prices, thats the first step.
    Clubs should be rewarded and not punished for bringing through a junior that plays for 10 years and not penalised for their success.

    The TV money coming from the new deal must be also used to ensure clubs are viable and sustainable. The cap has to be sorted out very soon.
     
  11. Little Grubber Kick

    Little Grubber Kick Active Member

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    Well yes, some refinement and a great deal more thought I would suggest the following issues may come into it

    1.All players are valued for Salary Cap purposes by the Player Valuation Committee (PVC).

    You mean like the various Interest Rate, Commodity and PM bankster committees that have totally rigged markets and brought the world to inches from economic collapse?

    2.The PVC comprises 16 members with 1 member appointed by each club.

    And so hypothetically 6-8 Clubs could form a cartel to overly influence the ‘market’ – Super League FFS


    3.Every player is valued 6 months prior to the expiration of their current contract and that valuation will be used for year 1 of their next contract. Subsequent years are indexed to changes to the value of the salary cap.

    What about wonderfully improving young player who hits the sweet spot 1 month after this socialist crap of a formula?

    4.A player is valued by each member of the committee independently on the basis of what their club would pay for that player as fair market value. That valuation is submitted to the NRL.

    Oh, independently valued, we don’t like so and so and would never want him at our club, but he is worth 2 million a year!!!

    5.The NRL drops the 4 highest and the 4 lowest valuations and takes the average of the remaining 8 valuations.

    Sorry more evil socialist filth in this point…………so the exceptional once in a generation super legend, possibly best of all time has to accept an average wage, triple FFS.

    6.Long serving players of 10 years for one club are exempt 100% from the calculation.

    Most reasonable, but why hasn’t it been introduced already??!! (See points 1 and 2?)

    7.Same allowances as now for Marquee players.

    What committee would be deciding this?

    8.10% discount on any player that has come through your junior system.

    As long as definitions are well in place, (ahem born in NZ but want to play for NSW or QLD in SOO etc)

    9.No limit on what clubs can actually pay players.

    YAY, a free market, what our entire society was once based on (when we were climbing mountains!)

    BUT!!!

    How about a sensible transfer market that operates seemingly everywhere but the NRL!!!!!

    I.E. A club wants YOUR player, they entice the player AND COMPENSATE your club for the efforts in developing the player.


    TOO EASY!!!! WHY HASN’T THIS HAPPENED!!

     
  12. mave

    mave Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Im so confused right now.
     
  13. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    Or ...

    1. All players are contracted to the NRL, rather than to the clubs. NRL retains nominated proportion of TV rights moneys to cover contracts. All clubs involved in process of deciding which players to contract and for how much.

    2. Clubs bid a proportion of their salary cap for individual NRL contracted players

    3. Club bids are weighted to encourage some stability and fan loyalty to current player roster (eg weighted if a club's long serving player, an existing club's player). Highest weighted bid wins.
     
  14. Little Grubber Kick

    Little Grubber Kick Active Member

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    OR

    1. The Free Market Approach
    A club pays its player what they think they are worth and another club thinks they are worth more then fine, they can pay them the extra BUT they pay you 10% (or whatever%) of the contract for every year you have developed the player........i.e. Sqeeels want WhatNow for $500000 a season, they can have him but they ALSO pay Manly 10% x 10 years = $500000 compensation, because it is acknowledged that the player was developed by the first club.

    Does anyone see how that system ALSO acknowledges long serving players at a club......they become more expensive to poach whilst still retaining their true earning potential.....


    TOO EASY

    WHY HASNT IT BEEN DONE!!!!!


    no 2. needed
     
  15. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

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    S s s single bed, single bed, I've got a one solitary, lonesome single bed
     
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  16. Little Grubber Kick

    Little Grubber Kick Active Member

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    Hey Shoe1, takes me back that song, though in retrospect a bit more bow wow than I first thought ;-)

    you don't have to worry, the only 'system' that will work will NEVER be adopted.......NO room for parasites........
     
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  17. Brookie Brawler

    Brookie Brawler Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    However players are valued and the cap is calculated

    ALL PAYMENTS (INCLUDING THOSE FROM THIRD PARTIES) SHOULD BE PAID DIRECTLY FROM THE NRL TO THE PLAYER

    with TPA payments paid by the company to the player via the NRL.

    This way any payment received from any other source is a clear breach and nobody can plead ignorance.

    Other types of payment such as cheap housing or brown paper bags full of cash may still pose problems admittedly.
     
  18. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    Can we merge this with the previous threads?
     

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