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Riddell to sign with Tigers and the inconsistency of NRL.

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by swoop, Dec 8, 2010.

  1. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Riddell is about to sign with the West Tigers as a backup for Farah. The thing that stinks is that Riddell won't be in the squad of 25 but signed on a second-tier contract.

    Is this not breaching the cap rules? I think the max payment on a second-tier contract is 50k. Aren't they supposed sign players for their true value.

    As much as I hate Inglis isn't it one of the problems that souths want to register his contract as him getting paid 190k with 3rd party sponsorship on top of that for 2011 but the NRL are saying that they are undervaluing him.

    I think it's time where players are valued by a points system as to what they are worth to make it a more level playing field with 3rd party sponsorship scrapped with concessions for juniors, long term players for a club and and increase in the cap grant from the NRL once the new broadcasting deal is sorted out.
     
  2. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Surely Piggy wouldn't play for just $50,000 a season; it would mean he'd have to get a second job.
    Very strange. But then, what isn't when it comes to the salary cap?
     
  3. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    I must say the waters are getting more muddy every day, and not just because of the extra rain!!
     
  4. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Piggy & muddy waters, well done Mark
     
  5. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    It has become an off-field distraction that is starting to sway my opinion about having a cap. If the league could introduce another couple of teams into Brisbane to even out their influence over corporate backing etc then perhaps we just say: let the clubs go their hardest. The weak will fail. Currently the cap is really just propping up the weak anyway.
    Not sure, it's a debate that should be had.
     
  6. eagle-rock08

    eagle-rock08 Active Member

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    I've said it before we need a points system that would be the first limb with an attached salary cap as the second limb.  For example top 25 players could be rated to a maximum of 25,000 points and second tier players a total of 15,000 points.  With points concessions for long-term players and junior developed etc.

    The only reason the salary c(r)ap has 'worked' is because no one has challenged it as a restriction of trade.

    I do also take up your point that Keynesian economic theory would support the concept of the strong surviving and the weak falling over.  But I wonder how we'd feel if Manly was a weak club.  Emotion runs league not economics.  I couldn't see myself following any other team if Manly wasn't around.
     
  7. lloydy

    lloydy Active Member

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    I reckon a few people would have been a bit sus when we signed Lyon on top of ox, beaver, kite, etc... On another note I sat next to Riddell at the 08 Gf he was wearing a Manly shirt, he was there with Glenn Hall's brother cheering on the mighty sea eagles.
     
  8. Ralphie

    Ralphie Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It has become an off-field distraction that is starting to sway my opinion about having a cap. If the league could introduce another couple of teams into Brisbane to even out their influence over corporate backing etc then perhaps we just say: let the clubs go their hardest. The weak will fail. Currently the cap is really just propping up the weak anyway.
    Not sure, it's a debate that should be had.
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    I fear that we are one of the financially weak being protected.

    I have said it before and I'll say it again, as imperfect as the cap is, if we get rid of it, Brisbane will have the Qld SOO Team / Australian Test team and Souths will have the rest. I don't fancy watching that GF every year.
     
  9. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    That would work.  Assuming there isn't bias in the valuing of players.  Not sure I'm comfortable with Gallop being in charge of valuing Storm, Broncos, or Manly player values without bias.

    A free-market system of doing similar is auctioning players, with the highest bidder winning and the full bid going into their salary cap.  Some small adjustments may be allowed for long-serving players, player discretion, etc.
     
  10. Copa Eagle

    Copa Eagle Member

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    manly will fold if there is no salary cap !
     
  11. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    So will about 10 other clubs.  That's why the rich clubs put up with it (subject to the ways and means they have developed to get around it) and don't challenge it in Court.  There are only so many News Ltd's and Russell Crowes in this world, and Australia doesn't have anywhere near the population of the US so Australian sport will never generate the kind of revenue they can generate over there.

    Abolish the cap completely and pretty soon you would have a 6 team competition, which would make the whole code a laughing stock.

    A salary cap in some form is beneficial for everyone in the long run.  Some players may disagree, but the alternative would be for them to be paid 3x their current salary for a few years and shortly afterwards it would be the death of RL in Australia.

    However I think everyone must acknowledge that the cap isn't working in its present form and needs a serious overhaul.
     
  12. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    I would imagine The Penn family are more wealthy than Russell Crowe. They may not have his passion to invest in a football team, but I think they'd have the resources.
     
  13. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    He has spent a few years in England on big coin so wouldn't be short of a buck

    He has come home to be with his mum I think it is who is quite sick so footy and money probably wouldn't be the be all and end all at this point
     
  14. swoop

    swoop Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'm not suggesting that the cap should be scrapped. 3rd party sponsorship should be scrapped or at least capped say at 500k with individual players only to receive no more than 100k.
     
  15. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Can't agree with your assessment of the Penns and Crowes finances Barry.  If the salary cap disappeared we'd be like on the bottom rung of the league.  No cap means that four or five teams dominate, year after year, just like the English Premier League.  My view is that the NRL set a points system in place valuing each player (done by a committee), and a team can have players who add up to a total.  That's it.  Increase the cap if needed, but don't abandon it.     
     
  16. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Cap AND points.

    Spreading the talent is what TV wants, better, closer games.
     
  17. Captain of the Gate

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    Lets be honest folks, all 16 clubs cheat. In some way they are giving players more than their contract says. Just most clubs are smart enough to keep it quiet.

    In the case of Piggy, please blatant cheating. Every club carries a backup hooker, but there is now was a player teh calibre of Piggy Riddell in 2011 is 2nd tier, especially when they are openly saying he is the backup to Farah.
     
  18. eagleE

    eagleE Active Member

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    They are all old St Christophers boys in the Canterbury/Bankstown league.
     
  19. Mybludog

    Mybludog Active Member

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    When we were in Leeds for the 09 WCC, Piggy came up the stairs near us and stopped for a minute and looked around....we all stood up (over 40 of us) with our arms out like he does when he's kicking goals and started chanting Piggy...Piggy...Piggy...

    He just laughed his head off
     
  20. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The points system I am not a fan of, for a few reasons.

    For one, how would you sign guys to long term deals if points will change from year to year, and some need to be forced out because of it

    Another reason is say for a player like Foran who I will use as an example. 18 months ago, he hadn't played 1st grade so would have been on say 1 point. 12 months later he is an International and say they make that a 7-8 point minimum, that is a massive jump and forces big changes onto a squad
     

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