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praise for "Winning a penalty for his team"

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Dan, May 7, 2013.

  1. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Does anyone else get annoyed for this. It is just another example of where the game is getting softer.

    Commentators all of a sudden have started using on a regular basis, the term. "He has won a penalty for his team" and then start going on about how good the player is because he managed to win a penalty.

    A penalty is awarded for foul play or a breach of the rules, that therefore should have nothing to do with the attacking player, if the player has "won a penalty" he has forced another player to commit a foul. That just isn't footy.
     
  2. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Warren Smith what do you expect ?
     
  3. jbb/james

    jbb/james Well-Known Member

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    Kind of implies it was milked and he conned the ref
     
  4. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Sure does, and I see that as grubby
     
  5. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    I don't mind it if it is used in the context of the attacker putting in a lot of effort/strength to get to his feet thus causing the defenders to hold on illegally to try and get to marker in time however there are probably only a couple of these at most in any given game. Most of the time its a case of the refs inconsistency in the play the ball catching out defenders.
     
  6. RL Gronk

    RL Gronk New Member

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    Glad you brought this up. I watch the replay this morning and there was one clear difference last night between the two sides.

    When manly were tackled we got up as quick as we could to play the ball. When the dragqueens got tackled they struggled and "rooted the ground" to make it look like they were being held down to milk penaltys. A couple times it was blatantly obvious because you would see the manly player on his feet and the dragon doin one more thrust towards the ground.

    Nightingsook would also have to be the biggest whinger and milker in the game.
     
  7. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I think it is called "milking". Last night the two refs got milked like a herd of jersey cows. They must have had sore udders by full time.

    It is one of the downsides to professionalism in sports. Ethics and fair play go out the window if a perceived advantage can be gained. Diving in soccer is the worst example, or what do they call it now ?? simulation or something.
     
  8. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    its more the term "wins a penalty for his team" or "earns a penalty for his team" This is then usually followed by how amazing that player is and that he is a shoe-in for origin.

    Most annoying after they have just bagged the player too
     
  9. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You can "win a penalty" legitimately though.

    Getting to ground quickly, not getting turtled in the wrestle and then trying to get to your feet quickly will put pressure on the tacklers to make a second effort or hold you down = win a penalty.

    Run from dummy half at offside marker = win a penalty

    They are a couple of examples of positive plays that win a penalty, I have no problems with that and it should be commended. However milking or diving is annoying. The most frustrating thing is that 90% of the time everyone can see that the ref has been milked, even they most know, yet they are still so stupid they blow the penalty. I don't know how you overcome that ?? Maybe start penalising the attacking team for crawling forward in tackles, pushing off the mark, getting "tangled" up with tacklers, kicking and thrashing on the ground making it dangerous for the tackler to let go of your legs. All that crap that the refs turn a blind eye to and just let themselves be had. It's frustrating, I can only assume that it is a directive from the top that you don't penalise the attacking team in the ruck because it very, very, rarely happens.
     
  10. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Totally agree Dan.

    Although this thread is self primed for a shot at you as author for being an Oztag ref :)
     
  11. mickqld

    mickqld Sack Greenslime 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What **** me the most last night was the constant penalties and refs yelling at us for hand on the ball in the tackle, yet not once did the goons get warned or penalised for doing it. Then cumstain had the audacity to warn Tommy S for writhing in the tackle trying to get a penalty when those pricks were doing it constantly throughout. It was so blatantly one sided, the worst I've seen in years.
     
  12. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Yes but I am a flawless referee
     
  13. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Jatz considers doing a poll of all the HB Oztag players.

    Q: Do you consider that ref bloke over there (yes that one doing his hair in the mirror) flawless ?

    Poll results will be published in a minor outback newspaper at a time hopefully noone is looking.
     
  14. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The other refs voted me the biggest pest to referee because I am constantly in their ear, mostly in a polite way :)

    As for refereeing, I give a warning at the coin toss about backchat etc. then I can penalise them straigh away and sit them down if they continue. Control the game early and you have no issues
     
  15. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    As would all the others say about themselves. :p

    I dunno about c and c's winning the penalty by positive play.

    I see what he means such as 'running at an offside' player....

    But I still look at that as the offside player giving away a penalty for eating too many wagon wheels and not getting back fast enough.

    flip of coin stuff really....but as both sides are heads.... I win!
     
  16. Mals

    Mals Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Does Tooves need to bring in Michael Hancock for some specialist coaching ;)
     
  17. lismore_fan

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    What peeves me the most is if you don't hold a player down, he'll get up & run .
    If the tackled player takes another lunge and keeps running, the ref will call 'Not held'.
    If he does hang on, he gets penalised. eg. George Rose

    It's very biased towards the attacking team.
     
  18. MissKate

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    Toovey should be calling anderson and asking for a couple of the nrl refs to come to one of our training sessions for some coaching and explaining as to what we are doing so differently to other teams. We are getting shafted by the refs every week and the reffing is so inconsistent from us and the team we are playing. No good going off at them, better to get them into training and explain what is going on. We cannot see it so it needs them to explain it to us
     
  19. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Three Knees Hancock was good, but Billy "Queenslander" Moore was the King of ground humping.
     
  20. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    lol...that's right. I was funny when occasionally players would get off him and he'd continue humping the ground like he'd found a vacant worm hole.
     

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