I've been watching the union this weekend. Good to see the Ossies go down the drain. Anyway, the line penalty kicks almost always made at least thirty metres. Why is it so difficult for our guys (read Ox) to kick more than ten metres. It would seem easy to get a punt kick coach to check which players had some ability, and then coach punting technique. Maybe to kick long, long legs are required. This would knock out the Ox, and maybe that would be a good thing. Is it because he's the captain he gets to choose who kicks for the line? If the game is one of centimetres as many suggest, then it beats me why penalty kicks from Ox only go ten metres or so when with a decent kicker we could pick up another twenty metres or so. I raised this point with our esteemed coaching staff (DDes included) and they simply didn't appear interested. :bdh:
Penalty kicks for the line. A recurring nightmare.
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I agree with that point DSM, was frustrating at times during the year
Just for a bit of info, the rugby ball and league ball have a slightly different shape, and the rugby ones fly through the air better, that is why they make extra metres all the time
Just for a bit of info, the rugby ball and league ball have a slightly different shape, and the rugby ones fly through the air better, that is why they make extra metres all the time
Captain Dong
Member
As Kiwi said, it is MUCH easier to kick a union ball when trying to gather distance.
But in saying that, Ox has a very very weak boot. Monas should of been doing the kicking for touch and line outs this year.
As for next year....who knows....Ballin????
But in saying that, Ox has a very very weak boot. Monas should of been doing the kicking for touch and line outs this year.
As for next year....who knows....Ballin????
Matabele
Journey Man
BS Dan. Orford was still kicking shorter than most league players this year.
As a 5/8th in both codes I've kicked a hell of a lot of leather. Yes the Union ball has a larger sweet spot but its good for an extra 5-10 metres maximum.
Larkham was another player that was a ****e kicker. Seems the flat surfaces at sea level of the Australian grounds mean that little emphasis is put on this important facet of the game.
I watched the Currie Cup semi-final last night and the blokes there were kicking the ball 70 metres on the fly - albeit at 1650m above sea level.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Orford can and SHOULD increase his kicking length average by 10-15m with a decent practise regime.
One thing to add to the mix - it is possible he is too short to have a decent long kick. He does not get an immense amoutn of pendulum momentum on his kicks. Perhaps Brett Stewart should be doing lots of practise this oiff season too.
As a 5/8th in both codes I've kicked a hell of a lot of leather. Yes the Union ball has a larger sweet spot but its good for an extra 5-10 metres maximum.
Larkham was another player that was a ****e kicker. Seems the flat surfaces at sea level of the Australian grounds mean that little emphasis is put on this important facet of the game.
I watched the Currie Cup semi-final last night and the blokes there were kicking the ball 70 metres on the fly - albeit at 1650m above sea level.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Orford can and SHOULD increase his kicking length average by 10-15m with a decent practise regime.
One thing to add to the mix - it is possible he is too short to have a decent long kick. He does not get an immense amoutn of pendulum momentum on his kicks. Perhaps Brett Stewart should be doing lots of practise this oiff season too.
Ron E. Gibbs
First Grader
Don't forget that Orford was struggling with a leg injury on and off all year. I'm not sure he ever got it right.
not at all but comparing the two type of kicks and balls and games are completely different.
So many different factors.
I think you could do an easy test on this, get me an official ball of each and i will rig you up an exact test wait. Whilst we are at it we can test AFL and soccer too.
So if anyone feels like getting sciencey, lets get one of each an go to bunnings and a fishing tackle store and we can set something up
So many different factors.
I think you could do an easy test on this, get me an official ball of each and i will rig you up an exact test wait. Whilst we are at it we can test AFL and soccer too.
So if anyone feels like getting sciencey, lets get one of each an go to bunnings and a fishing tackle store and we can set something up
Canteen Worker
First Grader
Do you want to return to Ridgey place kicking the ball for the line???
Orford's distance is good but at least he found touch most times which is the biggest issue. Can't compare Currie Cup as the altitude is much more conducive to distance at altitude.
Orford's distance is good but at least he found touch most times which is the biggest issue. Can't compare Currie Cup as the altitude is much more conducive to distance at altitude.
Canteen Worker
First Grader
Kicking is not as mudh to do with leg size than leg sppeed. Lockyer is not giant but has a very long kicking game. Orford's drop kicks are more of a worry to me than his line kicking. Some good points made here though.
For a valid test you would need to have about ten kicks of each ball, eliminating the best and worst and then averaging the distance. Could be a good project for a school Maths class.
For a valid test you would need to have about ten kicks of each ball, eliminating the best and worst and then averaging the distance. Could be a good project for a school Maths class.
You couldnt rely on humans kicking though which is why the simplest way would be a weighter kicking pad on a single pivot.
Rig up would need something like
- Forked hook (to hold the ball, though a kicking tee would do)
- Steel rod with weight on one end and kicking surface on the other
- A stand to hold the weight with a single pivot point.
The idea would be that this way, if you set a start point then the weight and speed the ball is met at is equal in every test.
Dan
Rig up would need something like
- Forked hook (to hold the ball, though a kicking tee would do)
- Steel rod with weight on one end and kicking surface on the other
- A stand to hold the weight with a single pivot point.
The idea would be that this way, if you set a start point then the weight and speed the ball is met at is equal in every test.
Dan
That is irrelevant and if what you say above is true, then my point stands that it is apples and oranges.
As a standard test you have to have controls. The controls are
- Weight of kick
- Style of kick
- position of ball
Variable that are hard to account for are
- Wind
Pretty much thats it.
If you start changing the style of kick then the experiment becomes to variable and too innaccurate. Unless you used all different types of kicks for all balls and averaged the details.
As a standard test you have to have controls. The controls are
- Weight of kick
- Style of kick
- position of ball
Variable that are hard to account for are
- Wind
Pretty much thats it.
If you start changing the style of kick then the experiment becomes to variable and too innaccurate. Unless you used all different types of kicks for all balls and averaged the details.
Jatz Crackers
First Grader
The Silvertail Mythbusters !
further to my point above.
The spiral is irrelevant and with enough adjustment and a fairly accurate build, you could do a spiral.
However in the experiment there would be no need to test the kick over more than 10 meters, whacking it 80 metres gives us no more extra data than kicking it within a 10 metre are marked out every 25CM, the mark would be taken from where the ball first hits the ground not from where it ends up as bounce of the ball is irrelevant.
This is not a hard experiment to do so anyone of you could test it if you have the time and build skills
The spiral is irrelevant and with enough adjustment and a fairly accurate build, you could do a spiral.
However in the experiment there would be no need to test the kick over more than 10 meters, whacking it 80 metres gives us no more extra data than kicking it within a 10 metre are marked out every 25CM, the mark would be taken from where the ball first hits the ground not from where it ends up as bounce of the ball is irrelevant.
This is not a hard experiment to do so anyone of you could test it if you have the time and build skills
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