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MNF Compensation

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by fLIP, Aug 6, 2010.

  1. fLIP

    fLIP UFO Hunter

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    Its been a pretty hot topic on the website this year with Manly down to play 7 Monday night football games in season 2010. Ive read a lot of topics and articles in relation to Monday night football and what sort of financial effect it has on clubs. A big complaint from Bruno Culln after the Broncos vs Roosters game comes to mind.

    Ive put together a little statistics table for Monday night games too see just who is coping the raw end of the deal to play Monday nights and just how badly its effecting each club.

    Columns are broken into number of Monday games played, number of Monday games at home, total attendance to MNF home games, average crowd attendance 2010 and + or - difference of Monday vs average games.

    Roosters - 5 (Home - 2) (6,478 / 14,238 / -7,760)* -54.5%
    Parramatta - 4 (Home - 2) (26,299 / 17,366 / -8,433) -24.28%
    St George - 2 (Home - 2) (12,974 / 16,882 / -3,908)* -23.14%
    Gold Coast - 3 (Home - 1) (13,235 / 17,202 / -3,967) -23.06%
    Brisbane - 2 (Home - 1) (26,486 / 34,331 / -7,845) -22.85%
    Melbourne - 2 (Home - 2) (24,620 / 15,271 / -5,922) -19.38%
    Tigers - 2 (Home - 2) ( 29,776 / 17,966 / -6,156) -17.13%
    Newcastle - 2 (Home - 2) (22,741 / 13,374 / -4,007) -14.98%
    Penrith - 4 (Home - 1) (11,278 / 13,227 / -1,949) -14.73%
    Manly - 7 (Home - 2) (26,218 / 13,802 / -1,386) -5.02%
    Cronulla - 1 (Home - 1) (10,741 / 11,120 / -379) -3.40%
    Souths - 4 (Home - 3) (55,267 / 16,586 / +5,509) +11.07%
    Canberra - 4 (Home - 3) (25,394 / 11,972 / +1,450)* +6.05%
    Bulldogs - 4 (Home - 1)*
    Cowboys - 4 (Home - 0)
    Warriors - 0

    What interests me about these figures is the NRL compensate any club hosting a Monday night game with $40,000. If you look at clubs like the Roosters, Parramatta, St George this $40,000 comes in compensating these clubs at $5.15, $9.48 and $10.08 per head that they lose by hosting a Monday night game.

    This raises the question. Why are we playing Monday night games? I assume the answer was to create an extra time slot at the last TV negotiations to add weight to a bigger deal. Unfortunately at the current rate of compensation to clubs the only entity this agreement is helping is the NRL itself. Lining its own pockets at the expense of most clubs.

    However, on the other end of the scale, clubs like our own who do draw close to their average on Monday nights profit at a rate of $57 per missing head probably far outweighing the amount of money the club would expect to make on any other regular season game day. Clubs like Souths and Canberra so far this season wont register a relative financial loss from playing Monday night football this season.
     
  2. abnc

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    Yeah see your point Flip, but i think MNF will be around for a while. Remember, if it benefits the game when it comes to the TV rights, it benefits all clubs through increased cash from the NRL. MNF rates highly on Fox, so it won't be going anywhere.
     
  3. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Flip

    To my knowledge there's no "cash" as such that's a part of this $40K

    It's advertising "in kind" to get crowds there.

    That information comes from the previous webiste and membership manager, I had this discussion with him last year and he said 'there no cash'
     
  4. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Great research which shows up that every club is equal . . . only some more than others!
    May I suggest that you send this information to various media, including Gus, as it clearly shows that the way the Monday nights are picked is a rort.
    I hate Monday night matches, and obviously so do our players who have only won one this year, I think.
     
  5. vidmar

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    Interesting stats Flip so thanks for that...

    I see there are a couple that are "*" - could you please expand?

    Also the Roosters figures "Roosters - 5 (Home - 2) (6,478 / 14,238 / -7,760)* -54.5%"

    The 6,478 total attendance for 2 home games seems low (Is the asterix and indicator?) - as is the 12,974 for Dragons 2 home games?

    Can you explain further please as these figures have a big impact on the variance to the average gates?

    Thanks
     
  6. Rodo

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    I agree with Barry. Very nice research.  It would be good if the media got their hands on this sort of stuff.  These are the types of reasons why we must have an independent commission running our game.

    Besides the $$ that are given to teams to compensate them there's also other statistics worth investigating including the win/losses compared to playing at other times and how easy/hard it is to back up after playing on Monday.
     
  7. fLIP

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    Yeah sorry vid, the * is for teams who still have a monday night game coming up.
     
  8. dceagle

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    The part the riles me most is teams that play the previous Monday night , then having to back up on the following Saturday.

    We are in that situation this week . Obviously the players health and safety is not considered at all by the NRL and particularly the  broadcasters who seem to pick and choose who and when teams play.

    As a simple rule  ..... No more than 4 Monday nights for any one club (2 home and 2 away) , and a compulsory Sunday game to follow a Monday night game.

    Stuff the broadcasters. We've got a comp to win , and the Monday night burden  has to be shared equally.
     
  9. Fro

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    well you sure told them.

    I'm sure we will be fine next year now that yuo have sorted them out.
     
  10. vidmar

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    Ah, of course, now makes sense
    Cheers and again thanks for taking time to do this and sharing
     
  11. Fluffy

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    I actually thought it was a rule that after a Monday you got a Sunday game in previous years
     
  12. ayjay007

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    I think the only thing you can't get is a Friday after a Monday.
     
  13. dceagle

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    Yep , that was the case.
    And I'm sure I've heard Gallop in years gone by saying teams will play no more than 2 MNFs each .
     
  14. abnc

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    You know there's an interesting point in all this. How the scheduling works is that (this is what i've heard in the past anyway) nine get the first 2 picks (friday night games), fox get the 3rd pick (monday night game), nine the 4th (Sunday), and fox 5th to 8th.

    So looking at that it looks like fox rates us quite highly as we are picked first by fox more then any other team.
     
  15. The Who

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    Yes, that's how it works...
    but surely Sunday should have the match-of-the-round.
    How do they do it in AFL? They seem to share matches around. Does TV dictate their schedule?
     
  16. Fro

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    its not 1995, Friday has been the pick of the round for a long long time.

    Supposedly Monday is pick number 3, althuogh thats debatable. sunday gets the scraps.
     
  17. fLIP

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    AFL has 7,10, Foxtel and One broadcasting them. ITs not uncommon up here even in QLD to have a pick of two live afl games on a sunday afternoon.

    Compared to the 1 hour delayed last pick NRL game (unless its the broncos then you get nothing else). Exluding foxtel.
     
  18. fLIP

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    Some interesting stats with winning after Monday night games. With the total % of wins at less than 50% after playing a Monday night game, the teams that do win have a better strike rate with a shorter turn around. I am very surprised to see that.

    Games Played - 36
    Won - 16 / 44%
    LOSS - 20 / 56%

    Saturday: 56%
    Played - 16
    Won - 9

    Sunday: 35%
    Played - 17
    Won - 6

    Monday: 33%
    Played - 3
    Won - 1

    BYE - 4



    Tigers: 0%
    Sunday: LOSS,LOSS

    Manly: 50%
    Saturday - WIN
    Sunday - LOSS, WIN
    Monday - LOSS
    OTHER - BYE

    Raiders: 0%
    Saturday - LOSS
    Sunday - LOSS, LOSS

    Broncos: 50%
    Sunday - LOSS, WIN

    Sharks: 100%
    Saturday - WIN

    Rabbitohs: 66%
    Saturday - WIN
    Sunday - LOSS
    Monday - WIN
    OTHER - BYE

    Bulldogs: 33%
    Saturday - LOSS, WIN
    Sunday - LOSS

    Eels: 50%
    Saturday - LOSS, LOSS, WIN
    Sunday - WIN

    Storm: 100%
    Saturday - WIN
    Sunday - WIN

    Titans: 50%
    Saturday - WIN
    Sunday - LOSS

    Roosters: 33%
    Saturday - LOSS, LOSS
    Sunday - WIN
    Other - BYE

    Cowboys: 50%
    Saturday - LOSS, WIN, WIN
    Monday - LOSS

    Panthers: 0%
    Sunday - LOSS, LOSS

    Knights: 100%
    Sunday - WIN

    Dragons:
    Other - BYE
     
  19. Mybludog

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    I think the only thing you can't get is a Friday after a Monday.
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    I always thought Friday came before Monday.....or is that Monday comes after Friday....or visa versa
     

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