Having a read on the slimes forum and found this post. Must say I found it a highly enjoyable read. Which of these two clubs has the brightest future? When you polish a turd, you still have a turd ! Manly will remain consistently a BETTER club than Parramatta over the long term, and therefore will have the brightest future. I HATE to say this, but that is the truth. Manly, to their credit, when faced with adversity, understand how to "circle the wagons" - consolidate and then rebuild to success - where as Parra - when faced with similar adversity - implode and disintegrate. Here's proof Manly, after a sustained period of success from 1990-1997 - semi-final's every year as well as a Premiership began to fall apart in 1998 - finishing 10th - 1999 13th and then with their FUTURE in the NRL at stake FORCED a merger with the North Sydney Bears - becoming the Northern Eagles - ensuring survival. Even though the Northern Eagles was a failure (finishing 12th 10th and 9th) between 2000-2002 - but it provided Manly with a last minute life line. And this is what they did - Manly showed a ruthless appetite to survive "at all costs" by destroying the North Sydney Bears and vanquishing them to RL obscurity forever. Rescued themselves in 2003 when the joint venture collapsed and Manly retained the Northern Eagles licence for the 2002 season until returning to the competition as Manly for the 2003 season. The 2003 and 2004 were failures finishing 14th and 13th . A meeting of the Football Club in 3 June 2004 saw the club members vote for the privatisation of the Football Club. Since then - The club improved its playing stocks for 2005, and reached the semi-finals for the first time since 1998. Manly have not missed the finals since, whilst every other club have missed the finals at least once since 2004. Since 2005 - this has been Manly's REMARKABLE comeback record 2005 8 (semi's) 5th 2nd 1st 5th 8th 1st 4th 4th 2nd. There are 2 things that I admire about Manly - they'll do ANYTHING to win and they have scouting and talent evaluators that are in the very ELITE level. I believe the clubs with EQUAL scouting and talent evaluators are Roosters, Storm and Dogs make up the BIG 4. Manly understands not only how to WIN but also how to rebuild through scouting - something Parra has NEVER understood - this is why Manly will ALWAYS have a brighter future than Parra - despite the shiny new stadiums. Manly has also remained fairly stable at Board Level as well. This cannot be undersestimated Simply put, Manly is a better run club (on so many levels) than Parra. But I still HATE THEM......admire them, yes, respect them yes - but hate then all the same. ..........and now for Parra When you polish a turd, you still have a turd ! Since 1947 (the same year BOTH Manly and Parra entered the competition) Parra has won MORE wooden spoons than any other Team - Manly has NEVER won the spoon. Forget the wooden spoon for a moment - In 68 years Parramatta has finished near the bottom of the table 32 times. That's 47% of the time Parra is absolutely awful 1947-1966 (20 seasons) 10 Teams - bottom 4 or worse 13 years 1967-1981 (15 seasons) 12 Teams - bottom 4 or worse 5 years 1982+ (33 seasons) - at least 14 Teams - 10th or worse 14 years Now the good news - here is Parramatt's semi final years Semi finals success, Parra has had 26 seasons of 68 with semi finals football or 38% 1947-1972 top 4 (26 seasons) 5 years with a semi finals appearance / Manly had 12 1973-1994 top 5 (22 seasons) 11 years with a semi finals appearance/ Manly had 18 1995-2014 top 8 (20 seasons) 10 years with a semi finals appearance/ Manly had 13 So what does this tell me ? Parra knows how to WIN but also how to LOSE and shows that Parra will NOT BUILD and does NOT know how to plan for the future. Nearly 50% of the time Parra is right at the bottom end of the ladder. It is interesting to compare Manly to Parramatta because both appeared in RL at exactly the same year, yet appear to be polar opposites when it comes to Administering the Club, Money, scouting and development of players. Manly are just BETTER than Parramatta in all those areas - this allows them to fail then rebuild quickly. Manly understand how to sustain success. - where Parra has a "rocks and diamonds" existence. I don't see Manly getting worse in the long term - sure, things are as strange at Manly right now, the first time they have shown any vulnerability since 2004. But I belive their history and pedigree will show that they are able to get out of this and once again go back to their winning ways after weathering the storm. Parra will have limited success again, probably under BA then crash spectacularly to the bottom AGAIN (like we do) while we figure out how to rebuild. Poor Club Administration, poor use of money and poor scouting IS WAS and WILL BE the difference between Manly and Parra You know how many years Manly have been to the semifinals in 68 seasons ? 43 times (63%) as well as TWICE as many GF wins - that's and EXTRA 27 seasons worth - while Manly were playing in those extra 27 seasons of semi final football - guess where Parra was..........in the BOTTOM 4 (as usual) When you polish a turd, you still have a turd ! Probably a better comparison to Parramatta is not Manly but Cronulla - there are far more similarities (except GF success) between these two clubs - BOTH the ROCKS and DIAMONDS experts Ouch !!!