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Manly Sea Eagles struck by pay crisis

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by The Wheel, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

    +1,718 / 71
    | January 28, 2009 12:00am

    MANLY are about to discover the downside of winning a premiership as they struggle to reward the efforts of their squad, many of whom are expecting better deals, and still somehow stay within the salary cap.
    Most pressing of all is the imminent expiry of captain Matt Orford's contract, and how Manly can do the Dally M holder justice while also rewarding the likes of Michael Robertson and David Williams.

    No wonder Des Hasler dislikes the salary cap so much.

    Hasler's captain wants to stay on the Northern Beaches but with English clubs circling, the price of retaining him isn't going down.

    The player's manager, George Mimis, conceded there is a delicate balancing act to pull off if Orford is to remain a Sea Eagle next season.

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    "I'll sit down with Manly this week or next and we'll have to see what sort of value they put on Matty, and how that compares with what we feel he's worth," Mimis said. "But there aren't too many halfbacks in the world of his quality, and we need to make sure his status and his contribution are reflected in a new deal.

    "To be honest, if it just came down to the highest bidder Matty would head overseas but he enjoys his footy at Manly and is keen to stay."
  2. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

    +662 / 35
    i think ox should take the money and run
    hes done what we bought him for and i dont think we can afford to keep him and the other guys coming off contract.

    He could get a massive contract from a SL club that can set him up for life.
  3. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +971 / 7
    Most of the talk has been that he will definitely go at the end of the season. The issue is whether you like living and playing in freezing, damp and miserable conditions to make money. Being a player can be more than about the doallars - just ask Beaver. Matty just needs to weigh up the needs of his clubmates and his own and be reasonable.
  4. CC_Eagle

    CC_Eagle Member

    +1 / 0
    Bottom line, our 2010 side will look remarkably different to 2008/2009.

    Salary cap sucks.
  5. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

    +662 / 35
    no it doesnt with out the cap i dare say we wouldnt have got BK or Kite
    it gives all 16 teams a chance if their management and coaching staff are good enough
  6. CC_Eagle

    CC_Eagle Member

    +1 / 0

    Let me be selfish and want more premierships.
  7. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

    +3,462 / 128
    if Ox follows that lead he will ask for 500K+ instead of 350K where we can jsut afford him
  8. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

    +233 / 0
    Cliffy is right.

    Piss him off if he asks for too much, anyone who doubts what paying a couple of players too much can do to a playing roster can just glance at Melbourne.

    If he's reasonable keep him, otherwise bye bye
  9. vidmar

    vidmar Well-Known Member

    +252 / 0
    The current cap is (I believe) $4.1 million....Being able to offer players what they want (or rather what their managers value them at!) is not always cap inhibited...More and more the CEO's of the club (as with any business) are looking (Have to) at the P & L's to see what the club can afford to pay in line with their budgets........I don't want to turn this in to a membership drive thread again...But 3,000 or so members isn't exactly filling the club coffers to overflowing at the moment?
  10. Corso_Pete

    Corso_Pete Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +35 / 0
    The question that needs to be asked is can Orford be a better player, or at worst no less a player in 2010 and beyond than the form that he has shown with us for the past 3 seasons?

    Orford will be 30 I think either this year or next and the reality is that for most players that is beyond their peak as a player. In my opinion Hasler will be ruthless and let Orford go to the ESL.
  11. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

    +233 / 0
    but you will :)
  12. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

    +1,718 / 71
    Well if we lose Ox, Wolfman or any other player due to budget constraints I will happily lay blame on all those apathetic supporters out there who couldn't be bothered signing up for membership.  :p :eek:
  13. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

    +466 / 6
    I think we're all agreed on this?  We don't want to curtail the club's medium/long term future by paying too much for a player that will be there on reputation only and well past his prime.

    I expect we'll let Orford go unless he decides to stay for significantly less than what he's on.  Anything else would be negligent for our future.
  14. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

    +121 / 0
    Pete is spot on.

    Really the only players that should receive significant pay increases are guys who have improved dramatically. Orford, in my opinion, has not really improved dramatically since we signed him. He has done exactly what he was paid to do originally.

    Its a situation that wont be ideal when we are attempting back to back premierships. We have all seen first hand what a distraction it can be when one of your marquee players is unsigned and potentially unhappy...... Lets hope that either way it goes its sorted out quickly and most importantly behind closed doors and not through the media.

    Players who I reckon most deserve to be rewarded for dramatic improvent last season are G Stewart and Josh Perry. For mine they were the biggest improvers. Williams to a lesser extent, he needs to back it up this year though.
  15. willstyles

    willstyles Active Member

    +4 / 0
    Why is this even in the paper? There is absolutely nothing new there at all.

    I'm fairly sure Ox will take the money on offer in the ESL. In my opinion, the only alternative would be if the Central Coast got a team for 2011 or 2012, whichever year the NRL are reassessing how many teams are in the comp, in which case he might push for a 1 or 2 year contract somewhere (maybe Manly, maybe ESL) and then sign on as the marquee player of his home area/junior area.

    He's done everything he would have hoped for at Manly. Dally M medal, captained the team to a comp, he's ticked all the boxes - and deserves to cash in because of it. What I don't want to happen is for there to be a situation where he leaves the club on bad terms because he ends up deciding he wants to stay etc, but Manly don't want to pay him a certain amount.

    I think he'll go though. And he'll leave as a popular captain who broke a fairly decent drought!
  16. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

    +83 / 0
    I reckon this same article gets released for the GF winning team each year...........Its hardly a surprise is it?

    The Ox will probably have to go.
  17. SilentBob

    SilentBob Well-Known Member

    +3 / 0
    Always expected him to leave after his contract was up and the recruiting has reflected the club had that in mind too.

    It's a shame Michael Monaghan signed a four year contract with Warrington  ;D
  18. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +212 / 5
    I think some of us are very quick to write off the Ox. He did win the Dally M last year for a reason and some have very short memories re the weeks in which he was injured. 1, 6,7 and 9 are vital ingredients in a premiership winning team and we do okay in each of those positions. He has done well with Manly and probably has a good couple of years left.  I would be wary of dumping him so quickly unless there is a better option at a cheaper or equal price. He is the Premiership winning halfback and now has the 'monkey' off his back.
  19. Garts

    Garts Well-Known Member

    +667 / 18
    No more than $300k to $350k for one more year. 
  20. deadlyeagle

    deadlyeagle Member

    +11 / 0
    we cant simply sign him for just one year because :

    Jason King
    Jamie Lyon
    Steve Matai
    Josh Perry
    Glenn Stewart
    Anthony Watmough

    *are all off contract end of 2010

    and most of their contracts had been back ended.  It doesn't paint a pretty picture for 2011 though because most of these players will be asking overs bar Lyon who was already on high $$$.

    and at the end of 2009 there are these off-contract players:

    Adam Cuthbertson
    Glenn Hall
    Heath L'Estrange
    Matt Orford

    Who once again bar Orford will / should ask for more. So if Orford is going to stay he will stay for at least 2 years or none.

    Source: http://www.geocities.com/darrylbradford/index.htm

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