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Manly penalty loading - does it exist?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by eagle-rock08, May 8, 2013.

  1. eagle-rock08

    eagle-rock08 Active Member

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    I've heard of this before but want to explore it a bit more.

    It's something that if Manly does anything wrong they get a bigger penalty than other sides.

    Do the referees and officials have "angry vision" when watching Manly as opposed to other clubs?

    For example:

    G Inglis shoulder charges Williams to stop a try and it is seen as great defence even though the shoulder charge is officially outlawed.

    Steve Matai (in my opinion) unintentionally hits the ball when tackling G Burgess and it hits his head. Steve is penalised and misses a week. Whereas S Burgess comes in throwing punches as third man in and isn't even penalised, sent off or sin-binned. And then comes out and says the Matai hit was legal which was echoed by L Daley the NSW SOO coach.

    And many others I will not cite.

    Now before you say that every team thinks they are always hard done by by their own supporters such as Illawarra last Monday night, the above incidents and probably others seem to point to a "Manly aggression" by officials. Fifty fifty calls seem to go against Manly or the punishment seems to be imposed to a greater level if its Manly as opposed to other teams.

    Could it be that the officials grew up following say Cronulla, Parramatta, Brisbane etc and as a result have a deep-rooted hatred of everything Manly from an early stage of their lives? I don't know but could it be true?

    Would such deep-rooted hatred flow into subconscious decisions and penalties against Manly? Or in fact is there a "Manly loading?"

    Please note that I am not saying the NRL or their officials are particularly against Manly but does the subconscious play a role in their decision-making during Manly games and subsequent reports and referrals to the judiciary? It seems to me, a two eyed Manly supporter (one eye is white the other is maroon) that the NRL or these officials are out to get Manly.

    For we all know there is no middle ground with Manly. One either loves them as we do hates them with a passion. Whereas if for example Manly are not playing say Melbourne and the Warriors are playing them most of us may hope for a Warriors win.

    What are your thoughts? Is there a Manly loathing? Is there a Manly hatred and as such are any and all penalties against Manly higher in severity than those against other teams?

    Or to put it simply, is there a "Manly loading" when it comes to penalties?

    I am sure there are many other examples abound that could indicate a "Manly penalty loading" or indeed a Manly loathing by officialdom either consciously or subconsciously.
     
  2. MissKate

    MissKate Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Yep I reckon it is alive and kicking. You also have to ask - why do we never get Gavin Badger ref our games, the same way we rarely got Steve Lyons ref our games.
     
  3. Moondog

    Moondog Grey-beard loon Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I reckon they've all been crap since Greg Hartley retired.
     
  4. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    can check this thread out too.

    http://forums.silvertails.net/Thread-Ref-Bias
     
  5. Brissie Kid

    Brissie Kid Well-Known Member

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    They've definitely been worse at Brookie Oval and Manly games since Arko & Bozo moved on.
     
  6. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Steve Lyons has gone. Wasn't contracted this season. And he didn't get any Manly games as he was a supporter. check out 'subconscious bias' on the web. It exists and there's a test to expose it. The NRL don't use it however. Interestingly there's an article in the SMH about subconscious bias in the judiciary, so one can't expect it to not exist in referees heads. Obviously, from the games I've watched, it does.
     
  7. simon64

    simon64 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    I find we get a few "inconsequential" penalties as well. The type on the first tackle when we're 5m out.
    This makes the count look fairly even but when you examine the benefit received, there's a huge difference.
     
  8. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    dont forget the even up 1 minute before half time. We are the kings of getting that one
     
  9. MWSE

    MWSE Well-Known Member

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    You could post this on every single NRL clubs supporter forum and get the same answer in relation to their team.
     
  10. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

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    No official could have grown up supporting Brisbane, just saying.
     
  11. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Why not shoe? Brisbane have been around for 25 years.
     
  12. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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  13. Bradza

    Bradza Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Why has that emoticon got a soft serve ice cream on his head?! :)
     
  14. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

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    I figure anyone under 25 won't be a league official yet, and I can't imagine anyone who was a kid when the broncs were formed would change from the club they already supported. I could be wrong on this second point of course. Anyway I don't trust anyone who changes the club they support (unless they change to manly).
     
  15. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Tin foil hat time

    I agree post this on ANY supporter forum and they would all say the same thing.

    Although I do think at times we do NOT get the run of the green.
     
  16. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    lol


    Awesome
     
  17. Hamster Huey

    Hamster Huey Space Invader Premium Member

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    No favours this week with Checchin and rookie Perenara in charge. Why, like the vs Souths match, are we not seeing the best refs set aside for top four match-ups, given the very physical nature of those contests?
     
  18. MissKate

    MissKate Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Because I don't believe the ref who was voted the best ref by the players is allowed to ref our games
     
  19. dowdz

    dowdz Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Not sure the NRL believe they have 2 good refs lol.

    Bur i agree, the 2 best who ever they are should be in charge.
     
  20. Brissie Kid

    Brissie Kid Well-Known Member

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    There are no 2 top refs. Flip a coin.
     

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