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Manly Brookie debt

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  1. Budgewoi Eagle

    Budgewoi Eagle In for the long haul. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Manly Sea Eagles' outstanding $358,000 debt to council raises fresh Brookvale Oval fears
    Adrian Proszenko

    Manly are allegedly $358,000 in arrears in hiring fee payments to Warringah Council for Brookvale Oval, raising fresh fears about whether games will be staged at the traditional ground next year and beyond.

    The parties are in mediation after the Sea Eagles failed to pay their rates, claiming the ground hasn't been maintained to proper standards. The club is pointing to the fact 14 lower-grade games were moved away from the venue because the surface was deemed unusable for a portion of the season.

    The council claims the total owing for the year will be $403,000, with $358,000 currently due. Manly had not attempted to pay any fees until late this week, when an offer of $150,000 was made pending a renegotiation of next year's hiring fees. However, the council has rejected the offer and claims there will be no discussions about 2016 rates until this season's impasse has been resolved. Debt collectors will be engaged in an attempt to recoup the outstanding monies.

    In a further twist, the leadership coup that ousted Tony Abbott as Prime Minister raises questions about whether the Federal Government's $10 million commitment to Brookvale Oval still stands. Those developments, coupled with the game's investment shift to larger stadiums, raise fears about whether NRL fixtures will continue to be held at "Fortress Brookvale".

    There was an outcry over the state of the surface for a clash between Manly and Canterbury in March due to the sandy and patchy state of the field. No NRL matches were shifted while the pitch was re-turfed because a quirk in the draw ensured the Sea Eagles were on the road for the next series of games. But the club is aggrieved because lower-grade fixtures, two of them televised, were shifted.

    Warringah Council stated it has "successfully maintained Brookvale Oval to NRL standards for decades" and claims to have committed 900 man hours, mowed the surface 90 times and re-turfed 60-80 per cent of the field this year.

    "We've been supporting the Sea Eagles for decades and obviously want to see them stay at Brookie but it's not fair that they are ripping off ratepayers to stay afloat," said they mayor of Warringah Michael Regan.

    "Maybe the fans are right when they say that the NRL and the Penns' want to move to Gosford and are using Council as a scapegoat so they can blame us for the decision.

    "The truth is, Warringah's ratepayers are effectively subsidising them by $600,000 a year already. If they don't pay their bills, ratepayers will have a massive Sea Eagles tax they never agreed to.

    "The club's solution to fund Brookie is two 30 storey towers on public parkland they don't own, that planning controls don't allow and infrastructure won't support.

    "They signed this lease and they need to pay their rent like everyone else - every mum and dad, every sporting group and every private business.

    "And they make substantial revenue out of the venue, maybe they need to cut their costs and be more efficient like every other business.'

    Manly officials said the hiring rates are not comparable to those of other clubs and claim it costs an average of $45,000 per game just to open the gates. Sea Eagles chief financial officer Neil Bare said the club had attempted to renegotiate a new rate with council as soon as there was an ownership change in the off-season, with a view to striking a deal that would extend beyond the current 12-month contract. "Brookvale Oval is our spiritual ground and we always want it to be that," Bare said.

    "We know Warringah Council want to support the Sea Eagles and know we're an important part of the community. It's just arriving at something in the future that's sustainable for both of us. We just want a sustainable hire arrangement for the ground. Given how much we provide to the community in terms of over 700 hours of community-related visits, we provide more back than just a casual hirer. We think that should be heavily considered when we look at an arrangement going forward."



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  2. Frogz

    Frogz Don't mess with the goat, he has photos. Premium Member

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    Will be interesting to see how this Penns out. Wont be rushing my membership payment quickly for 2016, thats for sure.
     
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  3. Brookvale2015

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    Why should they have to pay after the condition the council had the ground in.
     
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  4. pjayz

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    michael reagan can eat my ass!
     
  5. Frogz

    Frogz Don't mess with the goat, he has photos. Premium Member

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    IF Manly and the NRL deemed Brookie Oval playable (and did play on it) then the rent is payable.
     
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  6. BH72

    BH72 Active Member

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    because it's a community asset owned by the people of Warringah.

    Sometimes the grass isn't as green as it should be for the telly.. boo hoo.

    Make the Council right.. Why not pay the rent ?. The NRL needs us and all the other 'suburban grounds' otherwise nobody will go to the footy. As for the cartoon drawings of buildings and happy families walking hand in hand around a shiny new fantasy stadium they should stick those up their aris and take it to somewhere else.
     
  7. manlyfan76

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    Intersesting ploy, dont pay the rent, get evicted games must be played elsewhere.
     
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  8. Wombat64

    Wombat64 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It's a poxy corrupt council
     
  9. HappilyManly

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    Didn't affect Manly as we were on the road whilst the nematodes took over @:cool:

    "The club's solution to fund Brookie is two 30 storey towers on public parkland they don't own, that planning controls don't allow and infrastructure won't support.


    Good to see that the pie in the sky development on land the Penn's don't own nor intend to pay for, is now printed in black and white :swear:
     
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  10. Brookvale2015

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    Do we move to central coast or will we have to go to Allianz. I personally don't mind central coast and we get as much support there as brookie. Just snake plays he best footy at brookie.
     
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  11. Frogz

    Frogz Don't mess with the goat, he has photos. Premium Member

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    Wonder if anyone from the Football Club will comment on this. Whose name is the lease in...Manly seaEagles or the Football club.
     
  12. BH72

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    if they want to move to the Central Coast they should , it's their democratic right . Central Coast passed on it before I recall.

    The ground and the football isn't going anywhere. If the owners wanna go it's up to them. It's flavour of the month to want a soulless ****hole for a stadium but Brookie will remain and once people make their return on the money they invested you'd expect they will pass through like investors do. Look at the Gold Coast.. lovely stadium.. but nobody goes or gives a flying one if they are there or not. People who built it and invested made their dosh and they're gone leaving a shiny white elephant. Not even the people who live there seem o go ?. Brookvale Park is Community land so unless it is reclassified - which everyone has a say in - it has restrictions to the use as the land was vested to the community not to business dudes.
     
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  13. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    FC are only shareholders of the MSE Franchise - its the MSE debt
     
  14. BH72

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    it's in the Local Govt Act.... so when that gets amended or watered down then the dreamy glass buildings could be achievable.. but not yet,
     
  15. BH72

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    the ground still is used by Juniors too.. which is another reason for it remaining a community asset.. that people can hire through the booking system I imagine.
     
  16. Fluffy

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    You can hire the other facilities too, like the Chairmans lounge for events. Bet those costs are not included in councils income statement
     
  17. master blaster

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    its a ploy I tell ya,by the empty Penns
     
  18. HappilyManly

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    Well the FC Board is up for re election in December.
    So expect the Penn Ticket to oust them, in the guise of 6 Golden Eagles to appear :mad:

    Luckily we FC Members may still have the 75% majority, to stop a relocation outside of the Peninsula @:cool:
     
  19. manlyfan76

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    The penns wont want to lose the fc election twice in a row. They will go hard this time.
    Just remember that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
     
  20. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Our owners don't like us.
    Our Council doesn't like us.
    We don't care....
     
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