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Liam Knight - 2nd tier salary cap problem? (good article)

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  1. Budgewoi Eagle

    Budgewoi Eagle In for the long haul. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Manly Sea Eagles forward Liam Knight's NRL debut in doubt due to salary cap mess

    Adrian Proszenko
    Liam Knight, perhaps as soon as Sunday afternoon, is poised to become known for something other than claiming the worst driving offence in NRL history.

    Not for the first time, Knight's immediate future is in the hands of others. The Manly forward is within reach of a first-grade debut after being named as part of a five-man bench against Penrith. Whether he makes the cut depends on how several injured teammates pull up from from fitness tests, while the salary cap auditor will also have a say in the matter.
    players, such is the injury toll. This has placed a strain on the club's second-tier salary cap, meaning special dispensation will be required for Knight to become the 28th. Their injury woes worsened on Thursday with Steve Matai ruled out for the rest of the year with a neck problem.

    Knight knows what it's like to be beholden to Rugby League Central. In a moment of madness, he was clocked doing 137km/h in a 70km/h zone. Hoping to beat the breathalyser, he grabbed a can of Aeroguard and sprayed it into his mouth. After counting to 10, he registered 0.176. Given that he was on his P-plates and had form, the NRL could have put a line through him forever.

    While his actions were inexcusable, it's not the only dark road the 21-year-old has gone down and the Sea Eagles were keen to stick by Knight for reasons outside his undoubted potential. The Berkeley Vale Panthers junior lost his mother when he was five, his father has been in and out of his life and he has bounced around foster homes all over the country. He has also watched as his brother has struggled with associated issues.
    Which is why those close to him are hoping he can fulfil his ambition and run out against the Panthers at Brookvale Oval. "He's a tough bugger, but he's still a work in progress," said coach Trent Barrett. "We're going to have to help him with that, it's ongoing. Just because you force your way into a first-grade side doesn't mean your issues are solved. It's a great effort from him to get there from where he was, a few months ago it wasn't looking great for him, but he's done well.

    "He has [learned from his mistake], definitely. He understands it was silly and could have ended up a lot worse than what it did.

    "We all make stupid mistakes when we are young and we need to keep supporting him. He's been really good over the last few months, he's got good people around him, there are good leaders here in Nate Myles and Jake and Killer and other senior players. They've taken him under their wing and really helped him."

    Should the forward pack originally chosen get through the final training sessions unscathed, Knight may yet have to wait another week or so. But it's only a matter of time before the former junior tennis star gets an opportunity to showcase his talents on a grander stage. "I've named him in the squad, more as a reward for his last month of footy," Barrett said.

    "He's been really good, doing everything right, he's training hard and become one of the most consistent young players in the NSW Cup while playing big minutes. I'd like to see him get a run sooner rather than later, he deserves it. With the injuries we have, we'd have a pretty fair argument to play him."

    The 13th-placed Sea Eagles are also without halfback Daly Cherry-Evans, skipper Jamie Lyon and forward Brenton Lawrence. They take on a Penrith side that has also made plenty of changes, not all of them forced. Five-eighth Jamie Soward will be part of a reserve grade team that also includes hooker James Segeyaro. Nathan Cleary, the son of former Panthers coach Ivan, retains his place in first grade after making his NRL debut against the Storm last weekend.

    "When I was at the Warriors, he was the ball boy," said Manly forward Lewis Brown.



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  2. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'm not sure how this second tier salary cap works exactly, I do know Panthers had same issue a couple of years ago around Moylan from memory.

    So I assume if we are in breach of second tier cap it means Mateo, Green and maybe even Burgess will have to come back into consideration. They are all named this week in NSW Cup and I presume are in the top 25 list and not governed by second tier cap restraints.
     
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  3. HoldenV8

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  4. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    So who out of the top 25 has been chewing up that $460K ??

    Wright, Godinet and Fonua-Blake possibly. But that'd have to be it wouldn't it. We've only used 27 players in total so far this year

    Actually thinking about this, it may have been one of the reasons Tred was moved on if we are getting cap squeeze. If a contracted player is shipped off I assume that his remaining contract value is "freed up". Can you then promote someone from outside top 25 (2nd tier) and use that credit without affecting the 2nd tier cap ?
     
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  5. HoldenV8

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    In alphabetical order, Manly have used the following 27 players so far in 2016:

    Lewis Brown, Jamie Buhrer, Luke Burgess, Daly Cherry-Evans, Addin Fonua-Blake, Pita Godinet, Nathan Green, Api Koroisau, Brenton Lawrence, Blake Leary, Darcy Lussick, Jamie Lyon, Steve Matai, Feleti Mateo, Nate Myles, Matt Parcell, Josh Starling, Brett Stewart, Tom Symonds, Jorge Taufua, Martin Taupau, Jake Trbojevic, Tom Trbojevic, Siosaia Vave, Dylan Walker, Brayden Wiliame, Matthew Wright.

    At a guess I would imagine that @Chip and Chase is correct and it would be out of AFB, Godinet and Wright. And considering that both AFB and Wright have played 4 games each (Pita played once) and with Killer and Skivy out its likely that Wright at the very least will stay in the top grade for a while.....there is the chewing into the 2nd tier cap.
     
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  6. HoldenV8

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    IIRC the 2nd tier cap is why Tooves could only use Tommy as an injury replacement in 2015 despite constant calls to drop (most likely) Peta Hiku to NSW Cup and make Tom a permanent part of the NRL side.
     
  7. Chip and Chase

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    Do you have to actually nominate your "Top 25 Players" or does it just go on value of the contracts - 25 highest paid regardless of whether they play 1st grade ? I'm wondering then if Hodges, Moltzen, and John are considered Top 25 based on contracts, none of them have made the NRL field this year. That might mean Green was 2nd tier. Possibly Parcell ? (I doubt it but who knows) That would explain why we are chewing up 2nd Tier.
     
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    From what I know Tim Moltzen was on a 2nd tier contract. After that, other than the obvious ones who would be in the top 25, I am not sure who is in the top 25 and who isn't.

    And what happens with T-Red's contract? Does his 2nd half of this year come off the cap? Does that mean he can be replaced by someone like Matthew Wright in the top 25? I mean, its not like Wright is an U/20's rookie, last weeks game in Canberra was his 100th in first grade.

    Damn this salary cap $hit is confusing :banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
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  9. Loobs

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    2nd tier cap aside, I really like what Barrett said about Knight.
     
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  10. castle eagle

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    big league this week has an article that explains the salary cap , t.p.a.'s & marquee allowances in simple words(for simple people-like me!).
     
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    What happens if we run out of players in the top 25 and don't have enough money to use second Tier players?
     
  12. Andrew..

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    I think if we have genuine long term injuries we can ask the NRL for special dispensation. Whether or not they give it to us is another question !
     
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    We just lost BJ and Matai for the season, they have zero chance of returning this year, so two second tier players can be promoted if the NRL want an actual competition :wondering:
     
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    So if we aren't given that dispensation we may be playing with 16 players instead of 17?
     
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    HappilyManly may know more about it than me. I just know with extensive injuries and two players gone for the season we are disadvantaged and should be allowed to bring two players up to make up the top 25 squad.
    I guess Mateo could play if the club wanted him to. So I'm really not sure.
     
  16. Shoe1

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    Play him and pay the fine at the end of the year. All the other teams do it apparently
     
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    Don't expect any favors from Greenturd on this one
     
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    No
    A Club must field 17 players.

    A few weeks back some Team lost their 18th man in the warm up ( Titans I think).
    Then as the Team was running out, a player pulled a hammy or some other leg injury in the tunnel.
    They had to get an NYC player from the showers to quickly suit up and make up the 17.

    Manly will get the go ahead to promote a player, but our fear is that we still have 13 weeks of potential injuries to come.
    There is no way that Snake's hammy will hold out that long :confused:
     
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    So what? r u saying Liam Knight cant play this week or year?
     
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