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Is it East Sydney or East Auckland?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by The Who, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Apart from the Worriers, it appears to me that Easts have the most Kiwis and Pacific Islanders in their 17. Smith seems to go for these huge blokes who look good when attacking but drop off noticeably in defence.
    When the NRL reduces the number of interchanges these type of players will be less valuable, imo.
    Does anyone have stats on the percentages of Kiwis/Pacific Islanders in the various first grade teams? We've seen the trend coming for the past decade.
    Do you think there will come a time when Clubs are restricted to a certain number of overseas players - Souffs are an examples and are seeking more Englishmen - or players who have pledged their allegiances to countries other than Australia ie. JWH)? It has happened in Sydney grade cricket for 20 years or more.
    By filling positions with non-Australian players it lessens opportunities for locals and weakens our Test team.
     
  2. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I would think categorizing a players ability based on their heritage ish as inherit flaws.....and is a little bit racist

    Matai is a kiwi - is he "lazy"?

    Dumb thread - I feel dirty for posting in it
     
  3. Vaxo_12

    Vaxo_12 New Member

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    You are kidding right? These Pacific Islanders ( as you refer to them) are mostly first generation Aussies so are you going to ban them?
     
  4. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    60-70% islanders.
    Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, it's all to do with the Individual.

    Jonathon Thurstons parents - mother is aboriginal and his father Maori how many people would want him out of there side
     
  5. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

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    Ridiculous, just ridiculous.
     
  6. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    Weakens our test team ohhhhhh
    Australia could name almost three test teams and still be number one
     
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  7. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

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    West Auckland I think you mean
     
  8. Napper

    Napper Well-Known Member

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    The top EPL players are made up of african, South American and Europeans other than English and look how strong their comp is and it's easily one of the best sporting comp on earth.

    Imagine Parra saying to SBW. Sorry mate cant have you. We already have 3 Islanders for the year.

    Stupid thread. The more International players that want to play in the NRL the better. Your theory would be sending the game backwards and kicking International Rugby league while it's trying to get off the floor.
     
  9. eagleE

    eagleE Active Member

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    The Who, you are a goose. Racist goose at that. Next you'll be saying the Aboriginal and etnic players have no part to play in this league. If that was the case we lose Mattai, Tafua, the Forans, Williams, Galavau, Mauro, Kite, Rose. We would never have seen the Lyons, Shearers, Iros, Ridges, Krillichs and others wear the famous jersey.
     
  10. Top End Eagle

    Top End Eagle Well-Known Member

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    I get the feeling if the technology were available we would have seen similar posts to this in the US thirty years ago when sporting teams there started be dominated by African American players.

    If the post were more thoughtfully presented rather than xenophobic perhaps a discussion could be entered into but it seems not to lend itself to anything other than racist complaint and comparison.
     
  11. castle eagle

    castle eagle Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    up here in newcastle when smith took over he got rid of a heap of juniors & replaced them with islanders-seems to be the way he operates
    i guess for him size does matter!
     
  12. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    Mark Tafau - played Union in Newcastle
    Aquila Uate - played at Woy Woy
     
  13. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    You obviously didn’t read this post fully. I asked a question, not stated an opinion. There are plenty of examples around the world where sports restrict the number of overseas players in each club. If you don’t think it should happen in the NRL I respect your opinion.
    English cricket had to introduce restrictions 13 years ago because imports were blocking opportunities for locals and causing the standard of their Test team to plummet. Now they are the No. 1 Test nation.
    I understand that English soccer don’t have restrictions, and I believe Chelsea had 11 imports in their top team at one stage. This probably explains why England is no longer successful at international level.
    With all the non-Australian players in the NRL these days – which is increasing each year – it’s obvious that we have less players to represent us. Or are you in favour of poaching Kiwis like Tamou and now Kasiano to play for Australia?
    Where did I mention Matai, let alone say he was lazy?
    Where did I mention Thurston or Aboriginal players? Go back and read my original post, and perhaps then the topic can be discussed rationally.
     
  14. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

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    Don't agree at a first grade level about islander players affecting the game but I do think the increase of 1st and 2nd generation islander kids is hurting junior footy and in time will affect nrl and I will explain.

    Genetically these kids of Samoan and tongan decent are massive in comparison to Anglo,Asian, indigenous and middle eastern kids. So in junior grades they kill it, it has also seen kids who are late growers leave the game.

    The only way this can be fixed is going back to weight divisions in junior footy and to their credit the NswRL has been trialling this.

    If you think I'm full of it have a look at the nrl and look at the lack of quality halves and 5/8s in the game (usually the smallest two players). Also go thru the nrl and tell me how many Polynesians or pacific islanders are playing in the halves in first grade don't count ingenious blokes like JT or sandow because genetically aboriginals are a smaller race.

    I'm a fan of Polynesian players lets get that clear but I think at a junior level we need to level the playing field to keep smaller talented kids playing the game until they hit their growth spurt.
     
  15. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    In Western Sydney, there has been a boom in AFL and a decrease in caucasians playing Rugby League and Rugby Union. Much of this has to do with the earlier maturing of Pacific Islander players, who love their footy. More slightly build players are moving to AFL as a result. That is why there is talk of weight divisions. On that, the Who is correct as is Cam.

    At the top level there has been a massive increase of the percentage of players of that background in both the Rugby Codes. Many have gone on to represent Australia and just a look at the most recent League and Union test sides reflects that. Trying to restrict NRL places is racist however, and should not be condoned, though I note an increasing blur between being a Kiwi and being an Aussie, the Kasiano case in the papers being the next one. Mind you, QLD teams are full of 'adopted' players rather than locals.
     
  16. Bradza

    Bradza Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Sandow hasn't been too ingenious this season.................
     
  17. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    Of the top of my head:
    JT is part Maori so would have to counted in the Islanders as well.
    Pita Goodinet (Samoan)
    Ben Roberts
    Thomas Leulai
     
  18. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

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    So 1 in the nrl Ben Roberts.
    JT is more aboriginal
    Leulai is in super league.

    CW post proves the need for weight divisions in junior league.
     
  19. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    How can you be more aboriginal if one of your parents is aboriginal and the other Maori?
     
  20. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

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    Hey ant you know there is a big difference between being Maori and being Polynesian
     

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