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Is Des the Rep Jumper wrecker- good for us though!!

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Darren, May 17, 2008.

  1. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    Something I have thought about and now its happening!!!
    Good for us having full squad though, but danger of top players not coming here in the future ala carney, tupou etc

    Kite: deemed by some to be good 4 australia but not state of Origin
    Lyon: from Aust rep lost it, state of origin not even close
    Orford: australian rep?? I think, no origin and now ranked behind 6-7 halfbacks including brett finch lol
    Stewart: incumbent Australian fullback and lost jumper straight away
    Watmough: origin forward, bench for aussie team and not in the frame work for rep positions as behind hoffman, never seemed to recover from poor Grnad final performance
    Steve Bell: gone from gun origin centre to average centre in 2 seasons.
    Perry: could not even make city country team!!!

    I'm bit blown away how our club has been shunned for rep duty, yet again, good for us winning though!!!

    How can Storm have 8 origin players and stay in the salary cap and we have 1!!!!
     
  2. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Des can take the credit for this one.

    Kite - Size needed against the big Kiwi pack, Bellamy influence saw him miss out
    Lyon - would have been on the verge and imo would have been picked if he played City Country
    Orford - Leading the Daly M's, again Bellamy influence
    Stewart - Coming back from injury, Slater in career best form
    Watmough - injured
    Bell - never the same since head clash with Menzies, would you pick him over Inglis, Folau
    Perry - payback for a few years of sub standard form
     
  3. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Not at all

    B.Stewart- Didn't have a rep jumper before Des
    Watmough- Made Origin for 1st time
    Menzies- Regained Origin spot
    King- 1st City jumper
    G.Stewart- 1st Country jumper
    Bell- Made Origin for 1st time
    Matai- International
     
  4. Pepi

    Pepi Well-Known Member

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    Watmough was in pretty good form at the start of the year, i wouldn't say he  hasn't recovered.

    Lyon is starting to regain his form, and i reckon he is better then Cooper.

    Kite, well his form was pretty slow at the start of the year, but how can you blame that on the coach?
     
  5. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    good replies guys!! The Carney, Tupou situations made me think this!! Looking at what you have replied with, it seemed the money we offered wasn't enough but looking at your replies maybe I didn't see the bigger picture. The Glenn Stewarts and Jason kings plus mattai is impressive. 
     
  6. Corso_Pete

    Corso_Pete Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The NSW team has been hand picked by Bellamy, it has his signature all over it. He will live or die by the result and will have know one to blame but himself.

    Neither Orford or Kite made an impression in the last 2 games in which they played against Melbourne and therein lies their demise. Bell was playing really well until Beaver smashed his face and sadly his form has never returned. As for Perry his form this year has been very good in my opinion, if only he didn't give away those dumb penalties!
     
  7. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    The NSW team has been hand picked by Bellamy, it has his signature all over it. He will live or die by the result and will have know one to blame but himself.

    Neither Orford or Kite made an impression in the last 2 games in which they played against Melbourne and therein lies their demise. Bell was playing really well until Beaver smashed his face and sadly his form has never returned. As for Perry his form this year has been very good in my opinion, if only he didn't give away those dumb penalties!
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    Jezuz - would everybody just lay off Bell. His last 3 games straight have been fantastic (as good as when he came here). I hope he -re-signs, and Lyon keeps improving like he has over the past fortnight.

    Bell is a gun. Nuff said.
     
  8. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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  9. Cletus

    Cletus Active Member

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    Yeah I was sick of Bell running sideways but he seems to be going a lot better in the last few games. I'm warming to Lyon at 5/8 as well, I think his poor form was what made him look so bad, now that he's picking up a bit he looks dangerous no matter where he is on the park. I was surprised he wasn't picked for Origin, but I really get the impression Bellamy hates us. Call me crazy but I get the feeling he doesn't want to give our players rep honours.

    As for Melbourne being over the cap, they are over the cap every fecking year! How they can whine about match payments to lower graders and incentives to others is disgraceful. Look at Saints a couple of years ago when half their players carked it for most of the year, now that's a genuine problem but the NRL didn't care.

    And I hope Queensland win 3-0. I love seeing Bellamy do his nut. I loooaaaathe him!
     
  10. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I reckon the other side of this is that Des must be a genius of a coach if Manly can be second last year and looking good this year with only one player of Rep standard.

    It is a joke that Kite missed out. Slater does some flashy things outside a dominant backline but who would you rather have when the going is tough against a rampant opposition?? Stewart over Slater for mine any time.


    I think the influence of certain commentators is having too much influence.
     
  11. Garts

    Garts Well-Known Member

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    It is all Dessies fault, haha.  Seriously Darren what is your agenda against Des?  A few weeks back it was that our players go backward under him, now this.  The same thing but with a different spin.
     
  12. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    you are right Garts, I am on a bit negative 1 sided track, just noticed the loss of rep jerseys and wondered why, we use to have orford, kite, bell, menzies, bell, lyon etc, its great for us though, and Manly on the weekend were great to watch, so well done des!!!

    I will let it go after this, promise  ;)
     
  13. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    The above is true.

    Quite often its such a perceptional thing with rep relection & from what club that player is chosen from. Manly had a slow start (quite deliberate I think) to this season and there was a palpable view by all & sundry out there that we were a team going to be on the slide this year.

    In any case, it shouldnt be a negative factor for a potential new signing. Making last years GF and moving on our way to it again this year would have to be a positive weighty factor for any player.
     
  14. Nutzcraw

    Nutzcraw Active Member

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    I am almost positive that Origin players require a minimum of 250k a year and aussie reps 300k a year.

    Look at the Broncos

    Hunt - Aussie Rep 300k minimum
    Hodges - Aussie Rep 300k minimum (signed for 600k a year last resign)
    Lockyer - Aussie Rep + Captain (about 650k a year)
    Wallace - Now Origin rep - 250k minimum.
    Clinton - Aussie Rep - 300k Minimum
    Thaiday - Aussie Rep 300k minimum
    Carroll - Aussie Rep 300k Minimum
    Parker - Origin Rep 250k minimum
    Eastwood - NZ rep 300k minimum


    and Melbourne

    Slater - Ausse rep 300k minimum
    Falou - Aussie rep 300k minimum
    Quinn - Origin rep 250k minimum
    Inglis - Aussie rep 300k minimum
    Cronk - Aussie Rep 300k minimum
    Johnson - Origin rep 250k minimum
    Crocker - Aussie Rep 300k minimum
    Hoffman - Aussie rep 300k minimum
    J. Smith - NZ rep 300k minimum
    Blair - NZ rep 300k minimum
    C.Smith - Aussie rep 300k minimum
    White - Origin 250k minimum.
    Kaufusi - Origin rep 250k minimum.


    Try and tell me these two mobs are doing dodgy deals to stay under cap.
     
  15. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    some of your figures would be way out Nutz, dont forget a lot of these goobers made those rep teams while they were on a lot less, Quinn, Crocker, Cronk etc would have signed for lower and then made the teams, their NEXT contract will be the big one, thats why they cant keep Falou.

    Just because they are origin players now doesnt mean they were when they signed. yeah there would be incentives but not up to that level.

    Thats not to say they arent rorting. I suspect they are as well.
     
  16. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    I don't care how many rep careers Des ruins if it gets us a premiership.

    I would suggest the Strom must have some creative accountants working for them or Mick Gatto types are providing brown paper bags to the players at training after every win.
     
  17. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Says the man who has drunken explosions on the world wide web  :-*
     
  18. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    looks like brett stewart is now history, if bellamy stays,

    a total team who made last years gf and coming first in 2008,

    seriously, this is  a big worry for future signings, you may go bull but our guys cannot get a look in!!!

    kite, watmough, orford (leading the dally m's) bell, glenn stewart, perry, king,

    Tuopo wasn't stupid, he went with Stuart becauuse he is aussie coach
     
  19. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Kite was unlucky, not so much Watmough and we all know Orford wouldn't get a look in wherever he was
     
  20. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    It might all change if Bellamy goe but I reckon as long as we are consistanly in the Top 4 we wont have issues signing players.
     

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