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I agree with other posters who said we are doing the kid a favour by not keeping him stuck in reserves behind the games best backline. .
Sorry but you are living in the past.:
1. Foran = gone
2. Matai = age has wearied him. Now too slow and will miss many matches due to injury.
3. Lyon = a great who is past his best
4. Snake = Ditto
5. Hiku = Didn't everyone want him sacked last season?
We had arguably the slowest backline in the comp last season.
Lewis Brown = a handy bench player, but no world beater. Our hope for 2016 is/was Tom Turbo and Gutho, who could add pace, flair and youth. (Jorge was fantastic in 2015)
Why would any club do their opposition a 'favour'? This is about winning matches. Now, if the club swapped Gutho for Semi I could understand it.
 
You can't compare Brisbane and Manly.

This is a Broncos team who is the only nrl team in Brisbane compared to what 9 or so teams in Sydney.

Broncs can let 9 clint Gutherson go and know there will be 9 more next year.

Us on the other hand, If our one and only other backs star on the horizon gets hurt we're ****ed.

The Broncos are owned by news limited. They can pay Barbas contract to play for the Sharks, pay Milford up near a mill and still be way under in the cap.

When ur Manly u just don't let ur better young blokes go. But when u have old players ready to retire in the backs, it is even more crazy

Never would have happened under quantum and Toovs.

These Penns have no ink. What have they not ****ed up since they took over? They have given us no reason to have any confidence in them.
 
Sorry but you are living in the past.:
1. Foran = gone
2. Matai = age has wearied him. Now too slow and will miss many matches due to injury.
3. Lyon = a great who is past his best
4. Snake = Ditto
5. Hiku = Didn't everyone want him sacked last season?
We had arguably the slowest backline in the comp last season.
Lewis Brown = a handy bench player, but no world beater. Our hope for 2016 is/was Tom Turbo and Gutho, who could add pace, flair and youth. (Jorge was fantastic in 2015)
Why would any club do their opposition a 'favour'? This is about winning matches. Now, if the club swapped Gutho for Semi I could understand it.
One needs a lot of faith to compare a rookie coming back from a serious ACL injury with all those proven quality backs .One also need a lot of faith and hope that Gutho will fulfil his potential and recover 100% from his injury
 
Sorry but you are living in the past.:
1. Foran = gone
2. Matai = age has wearied him. Now too slow and will miss many matches due to injury.
3. Lyon = a great who is past his best
4. Snake = Ditto
5. Hiku = Didn't everyone want him sacked last season?
We had arguably the slowest backline in the comp last season.
Lewis Brown = a handy bench player, but no world beater. Our hope for 2016 is/was Tom Turbo and Gutho, who could add pace, flair and youth. (Jorge was fantastic in 2015)
Why would any club do their opposition a 'favour'? This is about winning matches. Now, if the club swapped Gutho for Semi I could understand it.
When our forwards could get on top those old timers looked OK. Everything starts with the pack. If they can't muscle up then yeah, the old dudes are gonna look past it...
 
You can't compare Brisbane and Manly.

This is a Broncos team who is the only nrl team in Brisbane compared to what 9 or so teams in Sydney.

Broncs can let 9 clint Gutherson go and know there will be 9 more next year.

Us on the other hand, If our one and only other backs star on the horizon gets hurt we're ****ed.

The Broncos are owned by news limited. They can pay Barbas contract to play for the Sharks, pay Milford up near a mill and still be way under in the cap.

When ur Manly u just don't let ur better young blokes go. But when u have old players ready to retire in the backs, it is even more crazy

Never would have happened under quantum and Toovs.

These Penns have no ink. What have they not ****ed up since they took over? They have given us no reason to have any confidence in them.
The Penns have plenty of ink to write the cheque's and we should all thank our lucky stars for this . Quantum took their money and abandon us and Birds of a feather flock together so we either flock together or fck off and join Gutho at Parra the laughing stock club of the NRL
 
The Penns have plenty of ink to write the cheque's and we should all thank our lucky stars for this . Quantum took their money and abandon us and Birds of a feather flock together so we either flock together or fck off and join Gutho at Parra the laughing stock club of the NRL
WTF are you on and where do you get it brah.
 
One needs a lot of faith to compare a rookie coming back from a serious ACL injury with all those proven quality backs .One also need a lot of faith and hope that Gutho will fulfil his potential and recover 100% from his injury

My thoughts too.
Matai, Killer and Snake may all be past their best but they are still way better than Gutherson ( and Tom T for that matter ) and their current contract values reflect that.

Does anyone have an idea on what Gutho's new deal was?
Just say he was on $150-200k ( a guess?) and we upped Tom to around the same that means we are paying both of them together $300-400k for what, half a season max?

Yes, it's great to have depth but at what cost?
Ideally we'd want our top 5 (and highest paid) backs playing every week to have a shot at the title, sure they may miss a week or three here and there but look at the season just gone
- Snake 22 games, Hiku 22, Matai 19, Lyon 17, Taufua 17 which compares quite well against other teams backlines.
Tom T played 9
Not exactly a bunch of crocks are they.

So do we pay Gutho overs to play reserve grade or drop proven stars that still do the job better than most?

A decision was made and who knows, Gutherson's management may have instigated it, the days of young "stars of the future" biding their time in reggies are over. They want to play 1st grade now and make the money that goes with it.

Time will tell whether it's a prudent decision but on the information in front of me, I'm prepared to go with it.

MCK came to us as a "superstar of the future" and three years later he played how many games? 5 or 6? Yep, the Tigers may end up reaping the rewards but you can't win 'em all.
 
Gutho is a young kid who has shown potential and time will tell what impact the ACL injury will have on him and how far he develops into a quality NRL player
Some people on here are making him to being like some type of porn star
I just hope he returns at some point, from the IS Death Cult,* with something to offer.

Parramatta DRLFC - IS (Irredeemable State), Death Cult - career death that is.
 
The Penns have plenty of ink to write the cheque's and we should all thank our lucky stars for this . Quantum took their money and abandon us and Birds of a feather flock together so we either flock together or fck off and join Gutho at Parra the laughing stock club of the NRL


Having a cheque book Is what u think makes someone worthy of praise?

I would have thought a good businessman would have the best people in the right positions getting paid.

Hmm I won't mention Toovs n Barrett here.

David Heath just taken our 20's from last to a gf in 2 years and he's packing his bags. (Explain that one then)

A Gutherson judged by others as having what it takes to be a leader of men, a NSW Captain and a junior kangaroo non the less. A local kid who just signed a contract and he's packing his bags too.

Our new recruitment officer is who? Scott Fulton? What is his world class resume got in it that makes him the best man for the job again?A history of daddy giving u a job and being booed by your own clubs fans surely is notorious. Not sure it makes one the best person for the job just quietly....

These Penns can talk a good game about setting the bar high and world class players and standards.

Time they stopped talking and performed. Because way I see it, these standards set the bar high and all the focus is on them.

Missing the 8 the first year in charge that's not much of an achievement.

Media leaks and disharmony all year, extremely poor management.

Apart from having a fat wallet. What exactly would u say these new owners have done well again????
 
Sorry but you are living in the past.:
1. Foran = gone
2. Matai = age has wearied him. Now too slow and will miss many matches due to injury.
3. Lyon = a great who is past his best
4. Snake = Ditto
5. Hiku = Didn't everyone want him sacked last season?
We had arguably the slowest backline in the comp last season.
Lewis Brown = a handy bench player, but no world beater. Our hope for 2016 is/was Tom Turbo and Gutho, who could add pace, flair and youth. (Jorge was fantastic in 2015)
Why would any club do their opposition a 'favour'? This is about winning matches. Now, if the club swapped Gutho for Semi I could understand it.

Matai misses plenty of matches, and plenty of tackles, but it is only the big hits that people remember. We are a VERY slow backline, I agree...
 
My thoughts too.
Matai, Killer and Snake may all be past their best but they are still way better than Gutherson ( and Tom T for that matter ) and their current contract values reflect that.

Does anyone have an idea on what Gutho's new deal was?
Just say he was on $150-200k ( a guess?) and we upped Tom to around the same that means we are paying both of them together $300-400k for what, half a season max?

Yes, it's great to have depth but at what cost?
Ideally we'd want our top 5 (and highest paid) backs playing every week to have a shot at the title, sure they may miss a week or three here and there but look at the season just gone
- Snake 22 games, Hiku 22, Matai 19, Lyon 17, Taufua 17 which compares quite well against other teams backlines.
Tom T played 9
Not exactly a bunch of crocks are they.

So do we pay Gutho overs to play reserve grade or drop proven stars that still do the job better than most?

A decision was made and who knows, Gutherson's management may have instigated it, the days of young "stars of the future" biding their time in reggies are over. They want to play 1st grade now and make the money that goes with it.

Time will tell whether it's a prudent decision but on the information in front of me, I'm prepared to go with it.

MCK came to us as a "superstar of the future" and three years later he played how many games? 5 or 6? Yep, the Tigers may end up reaping the rewards but you can't win 'em all.

Matai, Killer and Snake are all better than Gutherson, you might be right, but that is like saying Brent Sherwin was better than Jonathon Thurston in 2004. He was, yes, in 2004. What about now?
 
I've long thought that 'incompetence' roughly translates as 'Peterides' in Greek.

Now I think it also translates to Bob and Scott, or Trent and the other Scott. Or am I being too harsh?
 
Matai, Killer and Snake are all better than Gutherson, you might be right, but that is like saying Brent Sherwin was better than Jonathon Thurston in 2004. He was, yes, in 2004. What about now?

True, JT is better than Sherwin now so should we revisit this thread 2026?
There isn't a Bulldog official out there that doesn't deny he was one that got away, but how many players in that time frame have turned out to as good as him?

Decisions need to be made, who do you propose we tap on the shoulder?

"Thanks for the service over all these years, we know you've still got it and you deserve to finish your career here but we're gonna let you go because we need to keep this young guy who's played 5 games. We can't keep him in reserve grade and expect him to be happy.
Look, yeah we know he's coming back from an ACL reco and may never be the same again, but the fans demand it.
We don't expect you to play reggies on the coin you're on and you're too good for that so can you just go to England or finish up, don't worry about the half a mill that you'll forego.
Good, glad you understand."

What's to say the above scenario played out, we keep him and the he "does a Foran" and f%^ks off in two years time to do whats best for his family ie go to the highest bidder.
 
Having a cheque book Is what u think makes someone worthy of praise?

I would have thought a good businessman would have the best people in the right positions getting paid.

Hmm I won't mention Toovs n Barrett here.

David Heath just taken our 20's from last to a gf in 2 years and he's packing his bags. (Explain that one then)

A Gutherson judged by others as having what it takes to be a leader of men, a NSW Captain and a junior kangaroo non the less. A local kid who just signed a contract and he's packing his bags too.

Our new recruitment officer is who? Scott Fulton? What is his world class resume got in it that makes him the best man for the job again?A history of daddy giving u a job and being booed by your own clubs fans surely is notorious. Not sure it makes one the best person for the job just quietly....

These Penns can talk a good game about setting the bar high and world class players and standards.

Time they stopped talking and performed. Because way I see it, these standards set the bar high and all the focus is on them.

Missing the 8 the first year in charge that's not much of an achievement.

Media leaks and disharmony all year, extremely poor management.

Apart from having a fat wallet. What exactly would u say these new owners have done well again????
We have the best in Bozo overseeing the football operations and you cant beat that
Gutho our reserve back is gone but we have kept Tom T the superstar and you cant beat that
It is not unfamiliar that when a new coach comes to a club that new coaching staff comes with him and we can all make an assessment on that next season
North Sydney would be still in the NRL is they had a fat wallet That's what a fat wallet does
We all have different views here and my view is that I am looking forward to another new era of excellence from the mighty sea eagles secured by the fat wallet The expertise from the great Bozo The new age coaching from Barrett and class players like Tom and Jake T Lyon Snake DCE Matai Knight Parcell and the rest of the glass full that I can see and people like you feathered friend can only see the glass half empty
 

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