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Immort-eagles / Sea-mortals

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by bones, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I think the Sea Eagles should name their own club 'immortals'. If it was an exclusive list, and not something which is given lightly, which players do you think should be included? Doesn't necessarily have to be a player.

    The obvious 3 IMO would be:
    Bozo
    Beaver
    Wombat

    Other possibles:

    Randall
    Krilich
    Tooves
    Lyons
    Arko
    Max Whitehead
    Rex Mossop
    Max Delmege

    And possibles once they retire:

    Snake
    Lyon
    Choc
    Matai
     
  2. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Sure but we'd have to come up with a better name ;)
     
  3. Lord Eagleton

    Lord Eagleton Well-Known Member

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    David 'the mule' Hoskings
     
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  4. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Jamie Lyon would have to go close, gee he's been a huge part of our resurgence since he came on board.

    Really didn't they do this a few years ago with the "Team of the Century"??
     
  5. AshfieldBazza

    AshfieldBazza Active Member

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    Roy Bull would have to be one of the first along with those 1st 3 Bones mentioned and Arko too I'd say.

    Have to be careful about selection process as mentioned Manly seems to stuff these Team of the century selections up. That a certain Cliffy Lyons didn't get the number 6 jersey is amazing. Don't get me started on Wally O'Connell and his meaning to the early days of club and early coaching stint. Cliffy deserved it hands down!!

    And as BK ( as great as he was) made the bench after 2 years says issues about process
     
  6. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Manly's Greates Team was announced in 2006

    MANLY-WARRINGAH SEA EAGLES GREATEST TEAM:
    1. Graham Eadie 1971-83 (237 games)
    2. Ken Irvine 1971-73 (60 games)
    3. Bob Fulton 1966-76 (213 games)
    4. Michael O'Connor 1987-82 (115 games)
    5. Ray Branighan 1972-78 (114 games)
    6. Wally O'Connell 1951-52 (34 games)
    7. Geoff Toovey 1988-2001 (286 games)
    8. Roy Bull 1947-59 (177 games)
    9. Max Krilich 1970-83 (215 games)
    10. John O'Neill 1972-74 (51 games)
    11. Steven Menzies 1993-2006 (302 games)
    12. Terry Randall 1970-82 (208 games)
    13. Malcolm Reilly 1971-75 (89 games)

    Bench:
    14. Des Hasler 1984-96 (255 games)
    15. Ben Kennedy 2005-06 (37 games)
    16. Cliff Lyons 1986-99 (309 games)
    17. Paul Vautin 1979-89 (204 games)

    Coach:
    Frank Staton

    Team Manager:
    Ken Arthurson
     
  7. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Thanks scoop... I didn't know that :s
    I'll explain the difference. A team has one fullback, two wingers, two centres etc etc.
    The immortals could all be fullbacks.
    Even delicate ones.
     
  8. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You're Welcome :D

    Immortals could only come from the Greatest Team Pool, surely :cool:
     
  9. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Why can't two fullbacks from different eras both be immortals?
    Langlands and Churchill are both fullbacks and immortals.
     
  10. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Most likely but doesn't have to be the case.

    1 Arko
    2 Fulton
    3 Eadie
    4 Menzies
    5 Randall
    6 Krilich
     
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  11. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Having seen all but Roy Bull and Wally O'Connell of the 'Greatest Team' play I am now firmly convinced that Jamie Lyon should now be ahead of Irvine, Branighan and O'Connor.
    Irvine played his best football for Norths, Branighan for Souths.
    O'Connor was a terrific player, but imo Jamie has been more influential in Manly's success. Therefore, I'd put Jamie in at centre, switch O'Connor to the wing where he did play a fair bit, and omit Branighan from the squad.
     
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  12. Eagles Nest 08

    Eagles Nest 08 Active Member

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    The players who have played 200 games for Manly is the initial special list so if I have captured them all are:

    Bob Batty
    Max Krillich
    Graham Eadie
    Bob Fulton
    Cliffy Lyons
    Des Hasler
    Steve Menzies
    Owen Cunningham
    Paul Vautin
    Terry Randall
    Alan Thompson
    Geoff Toovey
    Fred Jones
    Anthony Watmough
    Jason King

    But if had an important time list you would want 5 to 8 as the sort of maximum.

    Feel the A list is:

    Fulton
    Menzies
    Lyons

    But agree someone like Eadie & or even Roy Bull could be on the next list.

    Then the Randall & Krillich’s would be next in line.
     
  13. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    We have been blessed by great Players in basically every year since 1947.

    However, the 'Immortal' tag is for Players who changed the way that RL is played. The ones who automatically get selected by all Panels either locally or Internationally.

    Bozo, Eadie, Beaver and Killer are such Players.

    Snake IMO is not, inspite of being a freak, he does not innovate the fullback spot.

    I think of him more like Cliffy - instinctive in their respective positions, but neither changes the way these positions are played - they just execute their tasks impeccably and consistently :angel:

    Its all subjective in the end, so I just enjoy the input into Manly, that these amazing athletes have/had :)
     
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  14. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Not sure Cliffy would make my top 20 Manly players, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an absolute champion. He was.
     
  15. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    My first 2 inductees:Fulton and Eadie.
    Arko can get a gig too if it's not just about playing.

    Next rung has Lyon and Brett Stewart, Menzies and Randall. Unfortunate bias towards backs, but that seems to occur in this kind of award.
     
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  16. EagleFromMay1967

    EagleFromMay1967 In bed before the room got dark.

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    I'be been watching MWSE teams closely since 1967. Fair dinkum, there are about 35 + backs I rate above R Branighan for Manly. I'm sure Ray is a great guy.
    But please, lets give credit where credit is due, and call a spade a 'spade'.

    He played along side Bozo. Draw your own conclusions.
     
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  17. Clint

    Clint . Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    awww c'mon BD, surely you jest. The great Cliff has to be in any Manly fans top 20.
     
  18. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You forgot Kitey. Kingdog isn't quite to 200 yet. Also a bit of contention whether Batty played 200.

    Anyway Manly Immortals in my opinion are

    Bozo - can't be a RL Immortal and not a Manly immortal.
    Beaver - This guy is Manly !! Class on and off the field

    Then you have Arko, Wombat, Cliffy, who can mount pretty good cases.

    If Tooves coaches us to a premeirship then he is up there. I love Igor, one of my all time favourites (played in all of Manly's 70's premierships) so he wouldn't look out of place, but probably doesn't have the representative honours to quite make it..

    Current crop - Killer most likely. Snake would have been a shoe in if he had stayed fit. He'd be over 200 games already and close to 180 tries. Not so sure now if his career peters out with injury. Choc is a very solid clubman but not quite classy enough to take the top pedestal.

    I hope DCE becomes one in the future
     
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  19. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Yeah seriously, who is in your top 20?
     
  20. BOZO

    BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    There is only one immortal the great Fulton and the rest were greats !!!
     
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