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Hasler, what’s so hard to understand about responsibility?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Berkeley_Eagle, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +2,097 / 13
    By Luke Doherty September 12th 2011


    Hasler, what’s so hard to understand about responsibility?
    As children we’re taught about responsibility and consequences. If the school bus came at 7:30am it was my responsibility to get there on time. If I missed the bus then it wasn’t the fault of the bus company or the driver, but mine and mine alone.

    The consequence was that I didn’t get to school on time.

    Understanding responsibility and consequence is important for the development of any individual or organisation.

    Todd Carney, for example, would’ve understood that an alcohol ban meant no drinking. Still, he chose to break that rule and now he has paid the price.

    As a trained school teacher Manly coach Des Hasler is better placed to understand the action/reaction process than most.

    If a pupil in his class didn’t want to abide by the rules then there would’ve been punishment of some sort.

    So, why has the Sea Eagles icon been fighting so many battles this year that, on the surface, seem to be open and shut cases?

    The club still feels they were treated poorly when the NRL suspended Brett Stewart for four games and fined them $100,000 in 2009. The NRL claims some players were allowed to drink too much, but they only came to that conclusion thanks to the Sea Eagles own report.

    Then there’s the Brookvale brawl from round 25 this year where Glenn Stewart and Adam Blair turned the match into fight night on the way to the sin-bin.

    Hasler claimed it was the NRL’s responsibility to make sure the players were walked off the ground by extra referees.

    Manly forward Brent Kite also hit out at the media in the aftermath of the bust-up. Apparently it was the responsibility of journalists to not replay the fight in news bulletins because it set a bad example.

    The latest thorn in Hasler’s side came on Saturday night at the Sydney Football Stadium where a terrible crowd turned out to see Manly beat North Queensland in week one of the finals.

    Hasler said the NRL shouldn’t have moved the match to the bigger venue.

    “I’ve mentioned to the NRL that maybe, just that first week, let the sides have the [home-ground advantage].” Hasler said.

    “If Manly are playing [North] Queensland, it’s not a hard one, is it? It’s not a hard one to work out that we would have easily got 20,000 [at Brookvale]. So 13,000 – probably ten [thousand], there might have been a bit of fudging there – but clearly there is a lesson there.”

    The lesson is if you’re not happy with the rule then make sure your club doesn’t agree, along with every other NRL team, to move finals to bigger venues.

    The Sydney Football Stadium is 20 kilometres from Brookvale Oval. If fans can’t be bothered making a journey that small then something is wrong.

    In Hasler’s defence it wasn’t a great look. The stadium was more than half empty and a game against the Cowboys was never going to have officials putting the ‘house full’ sign up. Yes, Brookvale would’ve been packed, but it’s not the point.

    Finals, regardless of who is playing, need to be held at bigger venues. In the UK, fans travel hours from places like Newcastle and Liverpool in the north to see their team play at Wembley in London on Cup days. Asking supporters to travel across the other side of the harbour isn’t unreasonable.

    The club needs to stop swimming against the current.

    You may agree with Hasler on many fronts and that’s fine.

    But if Manly’s own report into the 2009 incident said Stewart was, according to the NRL, “asked to leave the main bar due to intoxication at around 6.00pm” then that’s not the fault of the league.

    If a player decides to get in a fight on the way to the sin-bin then the NRL is not responsible and if every club agrees to play finals matches at bigger venues then so be it.

    Manly isn’t the only problem child either.

    David Gallop was predictably drowned out by boos from the crowd at AAMI park yesterday as he presented the minor premiers with the JJ Giltinan shield ahead of their match against Newcastle.

    Everyone from Storm coach Craig Bellamy to each player involved still feels like they won the premierships that have been taken away.

    That’s understandable. The players worked hard during those seasons and remember the celebrations with men who are as close as brothers. Those memories don’t fade.

    But it doesn’t make it right.

    Deep down they must understand the NRL had to punish them for making a mockery of the rules everyone else was playing by.

    To boo Gallop was wrong. He didn’t treat the salary cap like a suggested limit. He didn’t bend the rules or mislead the fans.

    When did we stop understanding how responsibility and consequence work?

    I don’t get it.

    You can follow Luke Doherty on Twitter @Luke_Doherty
  2. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

    +1,239 / 7
    Memo to Luke Doherty:

    Please refrain from lumping Manly in with that cheating scum storm club and please refrain from mixing up various issues that have no real relation to each other. Please find yourself a journalism handbook and read it or please piss off to a far away country and travel & enjoy life.
  3. robbiea

    robbiea Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +1,494 / 57
    Memo to Luke Doherty ,

    No one likes us , Lick our balls.
  4. MissKate

    MissKate Well-Known Member Premium Member

    +1,016 / 7
    Note to all journos - respect is earned not a given. No one respects gallop and the nrl right now and it is gallop and the nrl's responsibility to address that not the clubs' responsibility.
  5. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

    +2,287 / 60
    Desperately pleading with us to respect the man who likened fans to the terrorists who hijacked planes and killed thousands of innocent people ten years ago because they ... wait for it ... booed him?

    Yep. Luke Doherty is right. He doesn't get it.
  6. BOZO

    BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +3,718 / 181
    A qoute from this Luke Doherty " In the UK fans travel hours to see their team play". He points out there were only 13000 fans at the SFS but dosent say anything about that there were only 3 cowboy supporters at the ground .
    Luke Doherty your a real Nowhere man
    sitting in your Nowhere land
    your as blind as one can be
    just sees what you want to see
    Doherty you dick head
    can you see anything at all.
  7. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

    +12,049 / 238
    Bit like ben Dorries from Brisbane's Courier Mail, see seperate thread re this and my letter to this dickhead!!
  8. Moondog

    Moondog Grey-beard loon Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Hervey Bay
    +3,409 / 32
    Luke Doherty and Ben Dorries seem to share the same brain. Unfortunately when they wrote their respective articles the brain was in the head of the other recipient.
  9. King

    King Active Member

    +45 / 0
    Everyone hates a winner.
  10. ayjay007

    ayjay007 Well-Known Member

    +83 / 0
    who are these 2 zeroes?
  11. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +6,635 / 118
    Des is quite deliberately quirky in some ways, but one thing is not in doubt: he commands more respect within the game than any half dozen Luke Dohertys rolled into one.
  12. Jerry1

    Jerry1 Well-Known Member

    +2,440 / 76
    I'd respect a man who can admit he's made a mistake and does his best to insure it doesn't happen again,

    However, a man who vainley refuses to admit he's wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence quite frankly is a goose who will only ever attract derission and angst from his piers.

    David Gallop needs to grow up into the man his mother wishes he could be. A source of pride rather than unmanly shame.
  13. captainskin

    captainskin Active Member

    +79 / 0
    "... according to the NRL... Manly's own report; according to the NRL... every club agreed to sign; according to the NRL... this is not the image we want for our game..."
    It goes on and on, according to the NRL (and Gallop); with one waxed-face man who fronts this faceless group who shines forth righteousness as if they were the supreme being itself, needs to be seriosuly challenged. It is like the NRL's words along with the waxed-face man are gospel.
  14. Ian Martin tragic

    Ian Martin tragic Well-Known Member

    +137 / 0
    Thanks dickbrain; some extra motivation never goes astray...
  15. Christol74

    Christol74 Active Member

    +138 / 1
    Here we go, another up and coming parrot posing as a journalist.

    Honestly, what planet do these people live on. Lets look at the facts as to who is at fault for the poor attendance. There were 13k people at the ground, 12,997 were Manly fans, we are the last people that should be getting fingers pointed at them.

    If the NRL had a clue about marketing, promotion and putting on an event for the semi-finals then that would be a start. But the NRL is not interested in people attending the game because every decision they make is based on television ratings and television ratings alone. Game times, draws, venues, promo's you name it, its all about getting people to stay at home and watch the game on the ideot box. Monday night games that nobody can get too in time is a perfect example.

    As for last Saturday night, forget who was playing, this was a semi-final and the only semi-final being played in Sydney on a Saturday. Shouldn't the question be where are all the Rugby League Fans? This is the greatest game in the world, are we to believe that nobody loves the game enough to watch the finals series if there team is not playing? Well, the fact that over 1.2million people watched the game suggests otherwise.

    So why was noone at the ground -
    1. The NRL decided that the most important thing was that the game was shown live on TV so kick off for the only Sydney semifinal on the day was moved to 8.30pm which immediately made it impossible for families with young children to attend. The game didn't finish until after 10pm and by the time you get out of there and home its after midnight. Do they not realise that families make up the majority of the crowd at every game?
    2. They moved the game to a neutral ground in the middle of the city with terrible parking and limited transport options at that time of night
    3. The NRL does nothing to showcase the finals series or any game for that matter. Their marketing, pre-game and half time entertainment are embarressing compared to other codes and this includes their efforts(or lack of) for State of Origin and the grand final. The football itself is the only thing that sets attending a game of first grade apart from a game of under 13's park football with a Mr Whippy van selling ice cream and hot dogs.

    The hide of these people to blame Manly fans for the attendance. If you want any proof of what the NRL thought of the game look no further than the nrl website where it reads -
    " Rugby League has won the battle of the television screens with all matches in the first round of the Telstra Premiership Finals series scoring national ratings success through the Nine, NBN and WIN networks.

    As well as attracting a ‘Week 1’ attendance record of 123,391 fans (ahead of 2006’s 104,457), every NRL match (viewership measured from kick-off to full-time) emerged the national ratings victor ahead of the nearest scheduled sporting event. "
  16. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +1,088 / 25
    Funniest post ever. Seriously, I can't stop laughing. That would make a great banner!

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